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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 1:09 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: > > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: No more DVDs? (Nancy E. Friedland) > 2. Re: No more DVDs? - OK / Not (Steve Ladd) > 3. Re: No more DVDs? - OK / Not (Gisele Genevieve Tanasse) > 4. Re: No more DVDs? - OK / Not (Susan Albrecht) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:50:56 -0500 > From: "Nancy E. Friedland" <n...@columbia.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <CANWf03B88azw_EM-Z5MYKRjAk=uvqvcinpfxujgg_ean1w8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you Jonathan Miller for reaching out to this community of librarians > involved in curating these collections. > > My apologies for coming late to the conversation but want to add a few > thoughts. > > First, I second these comments -- and emphasize that budget is a major > concern for both large and small universities and colleges. DVDs are more > affordable and offer a longer-term collection building model. Models based > on short-term subscription, PDA, etc. are difficult to budget for and as > you know -- we operate on fiscal year spending cycles. Based on earlier > responses to this thread and another active discussion on streaming -- many > of us are deciding to focus purchase on license in perpetuity for the life > of the file and limiting to purchase when the film is needed for a class > reserves. > > Another concern -- streaming for presentation and classroom use. This can > be an issue depending on network capacity, quality of the digital file etc. > -- Another issue, the ability to pull clips from a DVD is a favored option > for instructional use as well -- this should be an option with a streamed > file. > > I think offering the option for DVD purchase is essential -- at least for > the near term. > > Nancy > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Jennifer DeJonghe < > jennifer.dejon...@metrostate.edu> wrote: > >> I would be fine with no more DVDs if streaming was an option. I try to >> avoid buying DVDs as I consider them to be nearly useless and prone to >> damage. We have 4 dispersed campuses, lots of online classes, and lots of >> adjunct faculty who cannot easily collect physical media. And faculty who >> want to show the same title on the same day. >> >> I am not hung up on perpetual access rights, because streaming is valuable >> to me and I want an easy, hosted way to manage or content that includes >> stats, captioning, embedding, etc. I also want to maintain a "fresh" >> collection, save space, and staff time. >> >> Would I rather be able to buy digital files and never pay for them again, >> ever? Sure, but right now I am willing to pay the price I pay for hosted >> streaming titles, because hosted streaming is valuable to my institution, >> and DVDs are nearly worthless here. Not to mention, we have many $300+ DVDs >> that have never circulated. I'd rather pay $100/ title per year for >> streaming that I know will get used or is getting used than spend money on >> physical media at this point. Oh, and my favorite option is PDA/ DDA >> because I feel that really does help me make sure I am paying for actual >> use. For what it is worth, I'm at a public university with just over 6,000 >> FTE. >> >> Jennifer >> >> Jennifer DeJonghe >> Librarian and Professor >> Metropolitan State University >> St. Paul, MN >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of >> videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:01 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3 >> >> Send videolib mailing list submissions to >> videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: No more DVDs? (Jonathan Miller) >> 2. Re: No more DVDs? (Gail Gawlik) >> 3. Re: No more DVDs? (Kerbel, Michael) >> 4. Re: No more DVDs? (Moshiri, Farhad) >> 5. Re: No more DVDs? (Moshiri, Farhad) >> 6. Re: No more DVDs? (Jeanne Little) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:46:37 +0000 >> From: Jonathan Miller <jmil...@icarusfilms.com> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: >> < >> bn3pr0401mb11404c7fe5e360f95fff5239ae...@bn3pr0401mb1140.namprd04.prod.outlook.com >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dear Farhad >> >> Thank you = I appreciate the problem with having to license a big >> collection - that makes perfect sense. What if the title was available to >> stream individually, by itself, for the same, or lower price, than the DVD? >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Moshiri, Farhad >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:42 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Jonathan, >> >> We just ordered a DVD from your company last week. Recently, there has >> been discussion on this topic in this listserv. I can speak for my >> university only. We develop our collection in both formats. We do have some >> streaming and we also have a large collection of DVDs. Students want only >> streaming. Faculty don't care what format is the program as long as there >> is an easy to use playback machine. They are interested in having access to >> specific contents only. We do not have a large budget for AV so if your >> company decides not to produce DVDs, we cannot subscribe to Docuseek2 >> instead and we are forced to tell our faculty that we no longer can get >> your programs. The problem for university libraries with small budget for >> AV is that we need individual programs from a variety of publishers. But >> each of these publishers are in a different streaming platform such as >> Docuseek2, Kanopy, Alexander Street Press, Infobase, etc. We are never able >> to subscribe to all of these services. But ! >> we are able to purchase individual DVDs from each of them as needed. >> >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual Librarian >> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, Middle Eastern Studies >> University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> (210) 829-3842 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:19 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Subject: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Videolib friends >> >> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and currently >> has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and universities >> streaming access to our collection over the internet. >> >> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of them. >> >> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we sell >> the last one of an older one. >> >> What do you think would happen if we did that? >> >> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a professor or >> collection development librarian wanted to have, if it was ONLY available >> via streaming? >> >> I'm serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What do you >> think? Thanks! >> >> Curiously yours, >> >> Jonathan Miller >> >> >> >> Jonathan Miller >> President >> Icarus Films >> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >> >> www.IcarusFilms.com<http://www.icarusfilms.com/> >> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com<http://homevideo.icarusfilms.com/> >> >> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >> jmil...@icarusfilms.com<mailto:jmil...@icarusfilms.com> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or >> contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the >> individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the >> intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in >> error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of >> this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you for your compliance. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:47:49 -0600 >> From: "Gail Gawlik" <ggaw...@stfrancis.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <563882c5020000be000c4...@usfmail.stfrancis.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> We would never buy a title that is only available through streaming unless >> it came as some sort of package deal through the consortium we belong to. >> For instance, we do subscribe to the Films on Demand titles. >> In a similar way, we would never purchase an e-book unless it was some >> sort of a package deal. >> >> On the other hand, our AV budget is so teeny-tiny, that we could never >> afford to buy a DVD directly from Icarus. Makes me sad because they have >> some really great titles. >> >> :( Gail Gawlik >> Assistant Director of Library Technical Services Brown Library University >> of St. Francis Joliet, IL >> >>>>> Jonathan Miller <jmil...@icarusfilms.com> 11/3/2015 9:19 AM >>> >> >> Dear Videolib friends >> >> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and currently >> has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and universities >> streaming access to our collection over the internet. >> >> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of them. >> >> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we sell >> the last one of an older one. >> >> What do you think would happen if we did that? >> >> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a professor or >> collection development librarian wanted to have, if it was ONLY available >> via streaming? >> >> I?m serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What do >> you think? Thanks! >> >> Curiously yours, >> >> Jonathan Miller >> >> >> >> Jonathan Miller >> President >> Icarus Films >> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >> >> www.IcarusFilms.com ( http://www.icarusfilms.com/ ) >> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com ( http://homevideo.icarusfilms.com/ ) >> >> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >> jmil...@icarusfilms.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:49:12 +0000 >> From: "Kerbel, Michael" <michael.ker...@yale.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: "<videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <fb615bc4-9b8e-44d1-b29a-eb50c9e38...@yale.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Can you consider making dvds on demand (with the understanding that the >> turnaround may be longer than it is now)? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Nov 3, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Jonathan Miller <jmil...@icarusfilms.com >> <mailto:jmil...@icarusfilms.com>> wrote: >> >> Dear Videolib friends >> >> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and currently >> has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and universities >> streaming access to our collection over the internet. >> >> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of them. >> >> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we sell >> the last one of an older one. >> >> What do you think would happen if we did that? >> >> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a professor or >> collection development librarian wanted to have, if it was ONLY available >> via streaming? >> >> I?m serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What do you >> think? Thanks! >> >> Curiously yours, >> >> Jonathan Miller >> >> >> >> Jonathan Miller >> President >> Icarus Films >> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >> >> www.IcarusFilms.com< >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icarusfilms.com_&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=kqJI5zcwJUPHMRRddnEufm2w-PoZdFVS8HTiMwjZqp0&m=nhNnwAyMY_J7A231pFvUEvQQCftLEXr24rbqozMdW0Q&s=B17vf33Tk2LwE3Rw7oLrrk2AbZBjuimxM8PNhh3o5mY&e= >> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com< >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__homevideo.icarusfilms.com_&d=AwMFAg&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=kqJI5zcwJUPHMRRddnEufm2w-PoZdFVS8HTiMwjZqp0&m=nhNnwAyMY_J7A231pFvUEvQQCftLEXr24rbqozMdW0Q&s=yycc7IoBQ9ZCLUEBKYxsfJ_1gm40zds9iDyYSWtUQCA&e= >> >> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >> jmil...@icarusfilms.com<mailto:jmil...@icarusfilms.com> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:56:12 +0000 >> From: "Moshiri, Farhad" <mosh...@uiwtx.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <33bfbf19b1f140fb9337ecbecf9c6...@mail64.ad.uiwtx.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> And I forgot to add that I know individual titles are available in >> streaming format. But we never buy a title for a short period of time such >> as one year or three years. All individual titles in streaming are licensed >> for a short time only. >> >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual Librarian >> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, Middle Eastern Studies >> University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> (210) 829-3842 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Moshiri, Farhad >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:42 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Jonathan, >> >> We just ordered a DVD from your company last week. Recently, there has >> been discussion on this topic in this listserv. I can speak for my >> university only. We develop our collection in both formats. We do have some >> streaming and we also have a large collection of DVDs. Students want only >> streaming. Faculty don't care what format is the program as long as there >> is an easy to use playback machine. They are interested in having access to >> specific contents only. We do not have a large budget for AV so if your >> company decides not to produce DVDs, we cannot subscribe to Docuseek2 >> instead and we are forced to tell our faculty that we no longer can get >> your programs. The problem for university libraries with small budget for >> AV is that we need individual programs from a variety of publishers. But >> each of these publishers are in a different streaming platform such as >> Docuseek2, Kanopy, Alexander Street Press, Infobase, etc. We are never able >> to subscribe to all of these services. But ! >> we are able to purchase individual DVDs from each of them as needed. >> >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual Librarian >> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, Middle Eastern Studies >> University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> (210) 829-3842 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:19 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Subject: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Videolib friends >> >> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and currently >> has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and universities >> streaming access to our collection over the internet. >> >> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of them. >> >> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we sell >> the last one of an older one. >> >> What do you think would happen if we did that? >> >> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a professor or >> collection development librarian wanted to have, if it was ONLY available >> via streaming? >> >> I'm serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What do you >> think? Thanks! >> >> Curiously yours, >> >> Jonathan Miller >> >> >> >> Jonathan Miller >> President >> Icarus Films >> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >> >> www.IcarusFilms.com<http://www.icarusfilms.com/> >> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com<http://homevideo.icarusfilms.com/> >> >> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >> jmil...@icarusfilms.com<mailto:jmil...@icarusfilms.com> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or >> contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the >> individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the >> intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in >> error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of >> this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any >> attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this >> e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 15:59:30 +0000 >> From: "Moshiri, Farhad" <mosh...@uiwtx.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Message-ID: <fe306757700a4724bbd0402b4b11e...@mail64.ad.uiwtx.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Not if they are sold (licensed) for a short time. In addition, for AV >> librarians it is very difficult to manage access to streaming video title >> by title in a variety of platforms. We mostly prefer managing large >> databases. >> >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual Librarian >> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, Middle Eastern Studies >> University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> (210) 829-3842 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:47 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Farhad >> >> Thank you = I appreciate the problem with having to license a big >> collection - that makes perfect sense. What if the title was available to >> stream individually, by itself, for the same, or lower price, than the DVD? >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Moshiri, Farhad >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 10:42 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Jonathan, >> >> We just ordered a DVD from your company last week. Recently, there has >> been discussion on this topic in this listserv. I can speak for my >> university only. We develop our collection in both formats. We do have some >> streaming and we also have a large collection of DVDs. Students want only >> streaming. Faculty don't care what format is the program as long as there >> is an easy to use playback machine. They are interested in having access to >> specific contents only. We do not have a large budget for AV so if your >> company decides not to produce DVDs, we cannot subscribe to Docuseek2 >> instead and we are forced to tell our faculty that we no longer can get >> your programs. The problem for university libraries with small budget for >> AV is that we need individual programs from a variety of publishers. But >> each of these publishers are in a different streaming platform such as >> Docuseek2, Kanopy, Alexander Street Press, Infobase, etc. We are never able >> to subscribe to all of these services. But ! >> we are able to purchase individual DVDs from each of them as needed. >> >> >> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >> Audiovisual Librarian >> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, Middle Eastern Studies >> University of the Incarnate Word J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >> 4301 Broadway - CPO 297 >> San Antonio, TX 78209 >> (210) 829-3842 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto: >> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:19 AM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> Subject: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> >> Dear Videolib friends >> >> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and currently >> has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and universities >> streaming access to our collection over the internet. >> >> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of them. >> >> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we sell >> the last one of an older one. >> >> What do you think would happen if we did that? >> >> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a professor or >> collection development librarian wanted to have, if it was ONLY available >> via streaming? >> >> I'm serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What do you >> think? Thanks! >> >> Curiously yours, >> >> Jonathan Miller >> >> >> >> Jonathan Miller >> President >> Icarus Films >> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >> >> www.IcarusFilms.com<http://www.icarusfilms.com/> >> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com<http://homevideo.icarusfilms.com/> >> >> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >> jmil...@icarusfilms.com<mailto:jmil...@icarusfilms.com> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or >> contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of the >> individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the >> intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this email in >> error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of >> this email and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this email in error, please immediately delete the email and any >> attachments from your system and notify the sender. Any other use of this >> e-mail is prohibited. Thank you for your compliance. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 10:00:35 -0600 >> From: Jeanne Little <jeanne.lit...@uni.edu> >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Message-ID: >> < >> calghjpn7qsncwatu6_zall2uukhw_0ozhkezc5_szhccm__...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Jonathan, >> >> I echo what Farhad has said in regards to our buying power. We purchase >> streaming rights for our Distance Education program on a limited basis, and >> rarely purchase streaming for other individual titles. We do not currently >> have a streaming platform subscription but will be venturing into that area >> on a small scale in the near future. That being said, we understand that >> streaming is wonderful for giving students 24/7 access and for faculty to >> link to in our eLearning system for their classes, but our budget is so >> tight, that we could not subscribe to several streaming platforms in the >> hopes that one of them would have what our faculty and students need. >> >> We do still purchase in DVD format and I do not anticipate we will stop >> doing so in the future. >> >> Jeanne Little >> >> -- >> Rod Library - Room 250 >> Resource Management/Collections Unit >> Content Discovery Division >> University of Northern Iowa >> Cedar Falls, IA 50614-3675 >> 319-273-7255 >> >>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Moshiri, Farhad <mosh...@uiwtx.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Jonathan, >>> >>> >>> >>> We just ordered a DVD from your company last week. Recently, there has >>> been discussion on this topic in this listserv. I can speak for my >>> university only. We develop our collection in both formats. We do have >>> some streaming and we also have a large collection of DVDs. Students >>> want only streaming. Faculty don?t care what format is the program as >>> long as there is an easy to use playback machine. They are interested >>> in having access to specific contents only. We do not have a large >>> budget for AV so if your company decides not to produce DVDs, we >>> cannot subscribe to Docuseek2 instead and we are forced to tell our >>> faculty that we no longer can get your programs. The problem for >>> university libraries with small budget for AV is that we need >>> individual programs from a variety of publishers. But each of these >>> publishers are in a different streaming platform such as Docuseek2, >>> Kanopy, Alexander Street Press, Infobase, etc. We are never able to >>> subscribe to all of these services. But we are able to purchase >> individual DVDs from each of them as needed. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farhad Moshiri, MLS >>> >>> Post-Masters Advanced Study Certificate >>> >>> Audiovisual Librarian >>> >>> Subject areas: Music, Dance, Copyright issues, >>> >>> Middle Eastern Studies >>> >>> University of the Incarnate Word >>> >>> J.E. & L.E. Mabee Library >>> >>> 4301 Broadway ? CPO 297 >>> >>> San Antonio, TX 78209 >>> >>> (210) 829-3842 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: >>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Miller >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 9:19 AM >>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >>> *Subject:* [Videolib] No more DVDs? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Videolib friends >>> >>> >>> >>> As many of you know Icarus Films has been helping to build, and >>> currently has over 300 titles on, Docuseek2, to provide colleges and >>> universities streaming access to our collection over the internet. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, we continue to invest in producing and releasing DVDs of the same >>> titles. And, as streaming usage increases, selling fewer and fewer of >> them. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is making me wonder if we should stop selling DVDs altogether, not >>> producing them at all for new films, and not ordering any more once we >>> sell the last one of an older one. >>> >>> >>> >>> What do you think would happen if we did that? >>> >>> >>> >>> How many of you would definitely NOT buy or use a film that a >>> professor or collection development librarian wanted to have, if it >>> was ONLY available via streaming? >>> >>> >>> >>> I?m serious in asking this question, I think it may be time to take a >>> (perhaps) drastic step, and not another small incremental one. What >>> do you think? Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> Curiously yours, >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Miller >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Miller >>> >>> President >>> Icarus Films >>> >>> 32 Court Street, 21st Floor >>> >>> Brooklyn, NY 11201 >>> >>> >>> >>> www.IcarusFilms.com <http://www.icarusfilms.com/> >>> >>> http://HomeVideo.IcarusFilms.com <http://homevideo.icarusfilms.com/> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel 1.718.488.8900 >>> >>> Fax 1.718.488.8642 >>> >>> jmil...@icarusfilms.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential or >>> contain privileged information and are intended solely for the use of >>> the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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It >>> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >>> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. >> HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. >> >> End of videolib Digest, Vol 96, Issue 3 >> *************************************** >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:23:28 -0800 > From: Steve Ladd <st...@laddmedia.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Message-ID: <cce776cd-04be-4d6e-85a3-0b57163d5...@laddmedia.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > This has been a very insightful discussion. As a distributor, I have another > option to ask your opinion of. > > It seems the ideal expressed for most colleges is to build and have access to > film collections in perpetuity, whether DVD or streaming. Shorter term > streaming licenses may be a useful additional option, but are not seen as a > replacement for building collections accessible over a long term. > > With that in mind, what if media distributors offered DVDs with a digital > site license in perpetuity at the same or slightly higher price than the > current price of a DVD -- and discounts for purchasing multiple films? Right > now, most distributors charge quite a bit more for the DSL option. > > Would that provide more of an incentive to buy DVDs and build collections, > whether streaming or DVD? > > I presume most colleges now have (or will have) digital platforms to host > streaming -- and Kanopy (and others?) offer hosting of films purchased with > DSL for institutions that subscribe. > > If you don't find this a useful option, please explain why -- or any other > ideas you may have. > > Thanks to all who have contributed to the discussion, and to Jonathan Miller > for initiating it. > > Steve > > Steve Ladd > ------------------ > THE VIDEO PROJECT > www.videoproject.com > 800-475-2638 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 09:49:42 -0800 > From: Gisele Genevieve Tanasse <gtana...@library.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <cadwptcn8bq9k5jp0r7m1annpc9bnwx-o0hafrv9lwc1tgjf...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for raising this Steve-- this is actually my preferred model. > > A similar model that I think works really well is California Newsreel's-- > where you purchase a DVD and with it comes a license to encode a digital > file for 3 years. After that 3 years is up, you still have the license to > stream in the file format you selected until that format no longer works > for you. This, I think, mirrors really well the life cycle of traditional > physical video formats. It allows libraries to "own" a file format and > ensures that distributors still have good reason to keep quality titles in > their catalogs, even though the format they are selling is no longer > subject to physical degradation-- rather, it is subject to the often harsh > expectations of users and technological developments that will trigger the > upgrade to a newer format. > > The first file formats we used for streaming had about a 7 year life span > of quality usability-- that is shorter than how long VHS was readily used > in classrooms, but still offers both distributors and libraries with large > collections a level of stability we need. Those 1-3 year licenses have > unnaturally shortened the lifespan of video formats-- and are a bum deal > unless you really look at them as a short term course reserve of use for > very specific fields. Some of our clinical social work faculty, for > example-- they don't want to use videos of clinical sessions that are older > and outdated-- but other than those kinds of currency concerns, I just > don't think a hand selected license that expires after 1-3 years (with > nothing to show for it) is worth the work of negotiating and purchasing. > You've established faculty/user expectation-- you've used a significant > portion of your funds-- invested the time of curating and developing > metadata/discovery tools-- and 1-3 years later, you're starting all over > again. For those of us who have completed (or are still working on) large > upgrades of VHS tapes (I'm talking tens of thousands of titles for us), > there just ain't enough time to bother with it. > > Gisele > > Gis?le Tanasse > > Head, Media Resources Center > > 150 Moffitt Library #6000 > University of California > Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 > PH: 510-642-8197 > BCAL: nerdpo...@berkeley.edu > NOTE: PART TIME SCHEDULE Monday-Thurs 8AM-2PM > >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Steve Ladd <st...@laddmedia.com> wrote: >> >> >> This has been a very insightful discussion. As a distributor, I have >> another option to ask your opinion of. >> >> It seems the ideal expressed for most colleges is to build and have access >> to film collections in perpetuity, whether DVD or streaming. Shorter term >> streaming licenses may be a useful additional option, but are not seen as a >> replacement for building collections accessible over a long term. >> >> With that in mind, what if media distributors offered DVDs with a digital >> site license in perpetuity at the same or slightly higher price than the >> current price of a DVD -- and discounts for purchasing multiple films? >> Right now, most distributors charge quite a bit more for the DSL option. >> >> Would that provide more of an incentive to buy DVDs and build collections, >> whether streaming or DVD? >> >> I presume most colleges now have (or will have) digital platforms to host >> streaming -- and Kanopy (and others?) offer hosting of films purchased with >> DSL for institutions that subscribe. >> >> If you don't find this a useful option, please explain why -- or any other >> ideas you may have. >> >> Thanks to all who have contributed to the discussion, and to Jonathan >> Miller for initiating it. >> >> Steve >> >> Steve Ladd >> ------------------ >> THE VIDEO PROJECT >> www.videoproject.com >> 800-475-2638 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:09:25 +0000 > From: Susan Albrecht <albre...@wabash.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Message-ID: <db837fb1ea2548e0a63584efff82f...@ex-2013mb01.wabash.main> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I appreciate your candor, Jonathan. As to tossing the ball back into my > court ;), this may well seem like punting, but I genuinely don't believe that > I'm equipped with enough knowledge or understanding of the business side of > things to know what is a practical or reasonable proposal. I simply wondered > whether the "flipside" had been considered, and whether it might be doable. > I would rely upon distributors and vendors to speak to that. > > Cheers, > Susan > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:38 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > > Dear Susan > > Thanks for asking these questions. The proximate cause was to try and respond > to what we thought was expressed by some libraries: concerns about streaming > and not having a permanent back up, In discussing the idea amongst ourselves > we did think that it might increase the number of DVDs sold to some customers > - but not necessarily the amount of money spent. And yes, maybe it would > encourage some to license or subscribe sooner rather than later. Perhaps we > are wrong, perhaps there will be unexpected developments, or little interest > or feeling that this helps, we don't know - but that's something that we > think is worth finding out. Let's see, > > As for your idea to swap the offer around, we didn't think of that, but we're > open to it. What would you suggest? Maybe that can be our next experiment! > > Best, > > Jonathan > > > From: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Albrecht > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:40 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > > Jonathan, > > I hope I don't sound snarky with this question, because I don't mean to > be(!), but can you explain what the purpose is of offering the experiment > with this particular setup? Are you hoping to increase the number of > streaming subscriptions? Hoping to bolster DVD sales? Or something different? > > I guess I don't see a whole lot of those who DO have a large commitment to > streamed video already saying, "Gosh, we wish we could also buy the DVD, but > as is, we're only able to afford the streaming." What I'm seeing, rather, is > a number of us saying, "Gosh, we wouldn't mind dabbling in streaming, but as > is, we're only able to afford the DVD." In other words, I'm surprised the > experiment isn't the OPPOSITE: Anyone who purchases "X" number of DVDs can > add on the streamed versions for 50% off, or add a collection for a certain % > discount. > > Or maybe I'm missing the point altogether. I recognize that's a distinct > possibility! > > Susan > > Susan Albrecht > Graduate Fellowship Advisor > Library Media Acquisitions Manager > Wabash College Lilly Library > 765-361-6216 (acquisitions) / 765-361-6297 (fellowships) > 765-361-6295 fax > albre...@wabash.edu<mailto:albre...@wabash.edu> > Twitter: @Wab_Fellowships > www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films<http://www.facebook.com/wabashcollegelibrary.films> > > ******************************************************************* > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." --Neil Peart > ******************************************************************* > > From: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 10:23 AM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Subject: [Videolib] No more DVDs? - OK / Not > > I > 've been snowed under by all the responses to my question! And I agree with > Barb, one of the main things that we've known, but that has been brought home > again here, is that no one size will fit all. I've been in this business (if > it is a business) for over 35 years, and one thing I can say for sure: every > year things get a bit more complicated. > > In any case apparent from this discussion is that many of you, while > acknowledging and, in most cases, accommodating the increasingly pervasive > transition to digital delivery/streaming, DO want to have at least the option > of also acquiring DVDs, whether as a back-up to loss of online access, and/or > for the DVD's utility in its own right - and the notion of subscribing (for > one year or three years or whatever short of forever) to individual films, > or large collections, is a difficult trade off of missions, and money, at > best. > > Given that we (and I write here on behalf of both Bullfrog Films and Icarus > Films) are on both sides of a complimentary sword, we have been talking about > this the last two days, and have thought of an experiment that we would like > to put forward: > > What if, when you license a film for streaming online, or subscribe to an > entire collection, you could then also acquire any of those films on DVD for > half price? So, if you were to subscribe to The Docuseek2 Collection, you > could then buy any Bullfrog Films or Icarus Films DVD, for 50% off, during > the entire time your license or subscription is in place. > > Would this make it practical for more libraries to address both imperatives > of collection development? Would it make the tradeoffs a little less > difficult? > > We've discussed that this may reduce aggregate sales by the "film > distribution" companies, but it might also make the transitions underway on > both sides of the equation smoother? > > We would like to find out, and so we (both companies) will make this offer > available until 12/31/15: > > Any institution that is currently licensing The Docuseek2 Collection, or > commits to licensing The Docuseek2 Collection by December 31, 2015 (whether > with a basic subscription, or via DS2's Evidence Based Acquisition program) > will be able to purchase, while their license is in force, any title (from > either Bullfrog Films or Icarus Films) that available from (or added to) The > Docuseek2 Collection, at half price. > > Both companies will leave this offer in place through the end of the year, > and in January we will evaluate how it went (all of us together, hopefully) > and whether or not we should continue, modify, or drop this idea. > > Look forward to hearing your thoughts on this! > > We'll be very interested to see what happens. > > Thanks again for all the comments, and best for now. > > > Jonathan Miller > > For Bullfrog Films & Icarus Films > > > > > > > > > > From: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 4:21 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] No more DVDs? > > I think the one clear answer we've gotten out of this discussion is that > there is no one right answer. Academic libraries are pretty diverse. :) > > > Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State > University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | > barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu<mailto:barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 96, Issue 16 > **************************************** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
