Hi Monica and List,
About that "unusual" Scheidler tuning: I believe it was considered the
"usual" guitar tuning in that area of Germany at the time, according to
Koch. Sorry I can't tell you the page number:
Koch, Heinrich Christoph. Musicalisches Lexicon. Frankfurt: Hermann
dem juengern, 1802. Facsimile, Heldesheim: Olms, 1964.
Jocelyn
Jocelyn Nelson, DMA
Teaching Assistant Professor
Early Guitar, Music History
336 Fletcher Music Center
East Carolina University
School of Music
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From: Martyn Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 9/23/2008 4:15 AM
To: Monica Hall; Joshua Horn; Fred
Cc: Vihuelalist
Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars and the mandora
There is indeed speculation (first put forward in 1979) that the
mandora's 6 strings and tuning inspired the addition of an extra course
to the 5 course 'baroque' guitar.
Regrettably there is no unequivocal evidence that this was the case;
merely indirect, such as the unusual tuning for the 6th string
(mirroring a common mandora tuning pattern) in Scheidler's early
sonatas for 6 string guitar.
MH
--- On Mon, 22/9/08, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
> To: "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joshua Horn"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Monday, 22 September, 2008, 3:27 PM
> When I've been asked by students a question not unlike
> that posed by Josh, my instinct is to draw lineages based on
> distinct tuning/stringing characteristics of historical
> instruments. The earliest instrument that is known to me
> that shares a similar tuning/stringing scheme to that of the
> modern guitar is the single-strung mandora of 18th century
> Germany. Being that there was a strong early guitar making
> tradition in Germany that grew to include the likes of
> Stauffer, could there be a lineage to the modern guitar that
> can be traced from this instrument? Can the history of the
> modern guitar be traced to the theorbo/chitarrone by way of
> the mandora? Is it possible that the theorbo connection
> explains how the modern guitar idea came to the builders of
> Spain?
>
> Sorry to answer a question with more questions.
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sep 22, 2008 8:12 AM
> >To: Joshua Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: Vihuelalist <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> >Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
> >
> >This is really an impossible question short of writing
> a book on the
> >subject.
> >
> >However - received wisdom I think is that the vihuela
> could originally be
> >played with a bow, a plectrum or finger style - to
> whit
> >
> >vihuela de arco
> >vihuela de penola
> >vihuela de mano.
> >
> >However "guitars" or instruments called
> "guitarra" seem to have existed
> >alongside the vihuela and it is not altogether clear
> whether this was simply
> >a vihuela with fewer strings or derived from a
> different prototype.
> >
> >Be that as it may, the present day classical guitar is
> probably not a direct
> >descendent of the vihuela - because in between you get
> my good friend "the
> >baroque guitar" which had only five courses and a
> re-entrant tuning and was
> >all the rage in the 17th and early 18th century.
> >
> >About the middle of the 18th century someone had the
> bright idea of putting
> >a sixth course on it - or back on it ...and the rest...
> as they say ...is
> >history.
> >
> >Hope that's helpful and I don't spark off a
> whole correspndence from people
> >who disagree with my "History of the guitar in a
> nutshell".
> >
> >Monica
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joshua Horn"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:11 AM
> >Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars
> >
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I have read various sources on the web about the
> relation of the
> >> Vihuela to other stringed instruments. I am
> looking for information on
> >> the lineage of the modern Acoustic Guitars.
> >>
> >> I read on one site that the Vihuela was once a
> bowed instrument, is the
> >> Classical and Flamenco Guitars you see today
> direct relatives of the
> >> Vihuela, or are there other instruments that
> influenced them first?
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
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