Well ...Foscarini clearly describes himself a a lutenist so may not have
played the theorbo.
Corbetta quite emphatically states in the preface to La guitarre royale that
he has never played the lute and doesn't know a single chord on the
instrument...
The book De Vise published in 1716 has the title "Piece de theorbe et de
luth" although they are all in staff notation. I think there are separate
sections but don't have the book to hand and may be wrong about that.
Bartolotti's Continuo book is apparently for a theorboed lute without
re-entrant course rather than theorbo but that doen't really tell us what
instruments he played...
Monica
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I don't know for sure - anything is, of course, possible but that by no
means implies it was the usual practice ad I think we need to be very
careful of making such assumptions.
For example, pieces for the lute with the name de Visee do indeed survive,
but the suggestion has been made that these are arrangements of his theorbo
works made by the Ms compiler (eg de Saizeny). Certainly they exhibit few
idiomatic Dm lute features (as, say, the works of his contemporaries Logy,
Mouton, Gallot, Bittner, Von Radolt, et al) and are closer in texture to the
arrangements made by St Luc.
In short, I'm not at all sure it's right to assume that the Old Ones played
a range of plucked instruments as we try to do today. I know of no evidence,
for example, that the most illustrious one, Corbetta, played the lute or
even the theorbo.
Martyn
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Date: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 9:00 AM
Well - Foscarini says that he is a lutenist by profession
and was employed
as one in Ancona and at the court in the Spanish
Netherlands. Bartalotti is
mentioned as a theorbo player in the 1660s - but does
that exclude the possibility that he played the lute as
well? De Visee's
music
survives in versions for lute I believe.
I would guess that these people played a range of plucked
stringed
instruments - as they do today.
Monica
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Were these actually lutenists are rather theorbo players? -
not the same.
MH
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> From: Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: The Learned Guitarist...
> To: "Michael Gillespie"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist"
<vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Saturday, 27 September, 2008, 8:04 AM
> Another topic which needs a book to be written.
>
> Many 17th century guitarists were actually lutenists
by
> profession
> (Foscarini, Bartolotti, De Visee to name but three)
and
> whatever training
> they had would have been on the lute. I think this
may
> have been on a one
> to one basis rather than in established conservatoires
such
> as we have
> today.
>
> Corbetta however seems to imply in the preface to La
> Guitarre royale that he
> was self taught!
>
> Monica
>
>
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> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:47 PM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] The Learned Guitarist...
>
>
> > I was wondering... when (with who) did study of
the
> early guitar become
> > more serious. Sanz used spanish folk melodies
where
> as de Visse was the
> > "royal guitarist," thats a big gap. I
> imagine that the great vihuelists
> > and lutenists of the day went through
> "conservatory" training rather
> > than just picking one up and beating it to
death,
> what about the
> > guitarists?
> >
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