Perhaps I should have said "One doesn't...."
I agree with you that the piece as it appears in the manuscript poses a
number of problems not the least of these being the possibility that
Handel wasn't sufficinetly familiar with the guitar to write a suitable
part for it.
I looked through it again and the bass part goes down to G in places.
This is possible - since some sources - including Kremberg - give the
first course as d'
I am afraid it is one of life's mysteries which we will never be able
to solve.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: [1]Martyn Hodgson
To: [2]Mjos & Larson ; [3]Monica Hall
Cc: [4]Vihuelalist
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Haendel - Cantata
Spagnuola
When you say 'you don't write' I presume you mean you rather than a
composer of the period.
In any event, I'm not trying to ram home one view against any others:
merely trying to point out that, despite wishful thinking by guitar
players (me included!) there is a good case for another interpretation
of the evidence....
Martyn
--- On Thu, 14/5/09, Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Haendel - Cantata
Spagnuola
To: "Mjos & Larson" <rockype...@earthlink.net>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thursday, 14 May, 2009, 5:54 PM
I am not convinced either.
You don't write at the top of a piece "Cantata spagnuola a voce sola e
chitarra" if the "chitarra" does not have a significant role to play.
It is true that there are quite long passages where you have only the
bass line and the treble line is silent. This suggests to me that you
would have a gamba on the bass line with the "chitarra" playing the
obligato part and filling in the harmony as appropriate.
I am more persuaded by the idea that the "chitarra" might be a theorbo.
Monica
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mjos & Larson"
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To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Monica Hall" <[9]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; "Vihuela Dmth"
<[10]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Haendel - Cantata Spagnuola
> I'm not quite convinced.
>
> There are only 7 measures at in the third section where the bass
line is significantly different between the second system (which you
are proposing as a continuo part for the guitar) and and the 3rd
system, the bass line part. (There are a couple of octave differences
between the two parts, which do not seem all that significant to me.)
>
> As David (I believe) asked, why write out two "continuo" parts if
they are virtually the same?
>
> It makes more sense to me to include it if you were writing/thinking
of a single instrument and the part went between continuo and obligato
roles. It brings to mind Nigel North's suggestion to write your
continuo bass line parts with a staff above on which to write details
for your realization.
>
> -- R
>
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 3:56 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I suggest this strengthens the case that the upper instrumental
line of
>> No 18 'Cantata Spagnuola' is probably for a melodic instrument
(violin,
>> flute or oboe) and the second line (ie v similar to continuo
bass) is
>> indeed for guitar to improvise an accompaniment as I previously
>> suggested.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martyn
>>
>>
>
>
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