Not bad actually Stuart, both your playing and Foscos music and my
recomposition passes muster I think - looking at it again the last phrase is
the standard passacaglie progression i iv V i. so he got there at
the end.
Do keep at it as I love to hear other people's attempts to play my efforts.
It inspires me to keep thinking about better ways of doing it.
Best wishes for the New Year - to everyone on the list.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Foscarini Passacaglio
Monica Hall wrote:
Alas - I couldn't access the Youtube site so I can't listen to or
comment on the performance. I don't know why.
I put the original tablaure on my www.earlyguitar.ning.com page - in
the photo section with the recomposed section enclosed in brackets and
a staff notation version - which Django does automatically but very
literally - with the scores.
I think that the problem passage is like that because it does go up to
the 10th fret - and if your guitar is like mine it doesn't actually
sound too good up there. Also I find playing chords with a barre
above the 5th fret awkward.
The problem with a passage like this is that the note values are
difficult to sort out - I have come to the conclusion that for reasons
to do with the way music was engraved there isn't always a clear
distinction made between the note values and you just have to make
something up - and original composition has never been anything I
would claim to be good at...suggestions for improvements are always
welcome...
The underlying harmonic progression is
e b f# e B e
i v ii i V i
Not a very typical passacaglia progression - really just a take on i
V i.
It is very difficult to judge how talented a composer Foscarini really
was with the music so badly printed. He is certainly one of the
earliest if not the earliest guitarist to have published a sequence of
passacaglie like this.....
Can you put your recording onto your plucked turkey site as I would
like to listen to it?
Cheers
Monica
I deleted the video. It really was painful to listen to in places! You
must have spent a lot of time sorting out this music and your work -and
it - deserves better than I was giving it.
I got a bit engrossed with the video - I had to use a program I've never
used before. I've attached a small version of it and it will look at
it's best kept small (don't maximise it). The original was a huge file
(youtube recommend that you send big files and let their software make
the file smaller).
Even at a small size I hope the little video amuses you. I'm sure you
will recognise the images. Sometimes I think I ought to sell another
instrument and get a better guitar. But it's nice having the guitar to
blame for at least some of the sound.
Stuart.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
To: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Foscarini Passacaglio
On the ning site Monica wrote: 'Passacalles literally means "pass
through
the streets".' Interesting. And so you could be passing through the
streets purposefully or perhaps just meandering about.At the
beginning of
his book (his collected works, as it were) Foscarini gives the
'Passacalli
sopra tutti le lettere' which seem to be just four bars with four chords
(not starting on first beat of bar). And, more or less, that's how most
passacalles I've ever seen are structured: a four bar scheme endlessly
repeated. (Some in the Gallot MS don't always fit, though)
But Foscarini's own examples of the passacalles don't fit this at all.
They really do seem to just meander about, always hinting at a typical
passaccalles but never quite being it. Monica has had a go at an edited
reconstruction of one in E minor. *http://tinyurl.com/y8mvxfd (page
17) -Passacaglio Variato sopra l'+*
//
There is no (easily discernible) repeated four bar structure and no
(easily discernible) direction to the music. And it's in two parts!
After
57 bars the first part ends and second part sort of carries on in
more or
less the same way for another 64 bars. And it's as if Foscarini really
liked the sound and feel of certain chord changes - especially E
minor at
second position to B minor with a g in the melody on top.
I've had a go at the first part. Technically it is not difficult
piece but
I always manage to make a pig's ear of one bit or another and my guitar
runs out of tone in bars 16-19; it's like squeezing an orange with no
juice left. But I suspect a good player could make something of the
piece
and the Part 2 would go yet deeper into the strange little world. Maybe
the use of repicco and trillo would spice it up a bit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XiJS0GVT5A
Stuart
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