Obviously it will take me some time to reply to this message which in
part is a response to a message which I sent to Martyn privately.
It will be all the more difficult because he has clearly not read any
of my messages and has consistently misrepresented everything that I
have said in them.
I will just say at this juncture that he may be entitled to send his
messages to all of the lists if he wishes to but I don't think that he
is entitled to send a torrent of personal abuse to any of them.
Watch this space!
As ever
Monica
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From: hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: 29/01/2018 17:16
To: "vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu"<vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subj: [VIHUELA] Re: Moravsky MS (CZ Brno D189) - a fresh tack!
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From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
To: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>; VihuelaList
<vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Baroque Lute List
<baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, 29 January 2018, 17:01
Subject: Moravsky MS (CZ Brno D189) - a fresh tack!
Dear Monica,
As you now know, I haven't yet replied to your latest open
mailings since these had both ended by saying that you 'were going
to
leave it for now' and I therefore took this as meaning I might soon
expect something further. Accordingly, not wishing to respond in a
piecemeal and disjointed manner, I deliberately delayed replying and
awaited your further thoughts. However, I shall do so now.
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Regarding copying things to other lists, just to be quite clear, I
generally copy things to other of Wayne's lists if they're relevant
there. Hence why gallichon/mandora stuff (but usually not guitar)
can
find its way onto the lute lists (or, indeed, elsewhere) - it's not
a
fiendish plot of any kind! But on with the motley..........
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Our exchanges of 'textual analysis' have clearly failed to persuade
each other of our respective cases and therefore, to make any
progress, another tack is now required: one more forensic perhaps
and
closer related to contemporary organological, musicological and
source
evidence. Firstly though, to summarise our respective positions:
- as I understand it from what you have written, your position is
that the vast majority (about 98%) of the some 124 works for plucked
instruments in this MS are for a six course gytarra and that just
three
are for a mandora (according to you a twelve course instrument with
five fingered courses and seven free basses - you stated that "The
mandora has seven unstopped basses" );
- mine is that the 28 pieces notated with a sixth course are for
mandora and that the remainder requiring just five courses are
principally for gytarra (although, as I was at pains to point out
earlier, any passably competent mandora player would easily be able
to
add a low sixth where suitable in the guitar pieces and similarly,
in
many cases, a guitarist would be able to play the errant low bass an
octave up by employing the open third course). The couple of pieces
which have the seven additional free basses notated also have a left
hand fingered bass notated in the usual register and, whilst we've
not
discussed this so far, I believe these additional low course
numberings
are therefore simply later additions to these two pieces (note also
that the scribe left off adding these low basses half way through
the
piece numbered 45! ).
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1. DATE OF D-189
You stated that the MS could have been written "anytime in the
eighteenth century" - but with no evidence for this assertion. I
do,
of course, understand why you favour such a wide range of dates
since
it may help give some credence to employing a six course guitar
(developed, in fact, only later in the eighteenth century) for all
the
plucked works in this collection
However, others date the writing of this MS considerably earlier,
including:
James Tyler - 'early 18th century';
Gary Boye - 'beginning of the 18th century';
Ernst Pohlmann - 'um 1700' (around 1700);
Jaroslav Pohanka (Principal editor of Musica Antiqua Bohemia) - 'vor
1700 geschrieben' (written before 1700);
My own dating (based on stylistic traits and the piece attributed
to
C. Loschi) is 1700 to 1720.
Accordingly, to summarise, the best date range estimate for
compilation
of this MS lies between 1690 and 1720.
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2. CALLICHON/MANDORA
Around 70 extant historical mandoras/gallichons have been identified
made between 1688 and 1780 (most are listed in Dieter Kirsch's 'La
mandora au XVIII siecle): the vast majority (97%) of these are six
course instruments but a couple have more courses - one is 8 course
and
one 9 course . These two are both later eighteenth century and thus
too
late to be the sort of instruments originally employed for D-189.
Extant instruments also well reflect contemporary iconography
showing
the overwhelming predominance of the six course mandora; and
similarly
with extant tablatures - though a very few do contain some pieces
for 8
or 9 course mandora (such as Univerzitna Kniznica Bratislava Ms 1092
which contains galant/classical music c.1770 requiring a mandora
with
eight courses). Note that these mandoras basically had these few
additional courses on the same peghead (like earlier lutes) and did
not
employ the much longer extensions as found in the theorbo, archlute
or,
for that matter, the arch/theorboed guitar known from the
seventeenth
century onwards.
Historically, the upper five courses of the usual six course
mandora/callichon were tuned in precisely the same intervals as
those
of the guitar. The mandora sixth course was commonly tuned a tone
below
the fifth (as, of course, found in D-189), or a third or a fourth
below
it. Tablatures show that the additional basses of the rare 8/9
course
instrument merely fill in the notes between the fifth course and the
sixth a third or a fourth below it and do not extend the range any
further downwards.
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3. ACCORDO GYTARRA ET MANDORA
The tablature system with five lines on f.48v. between the first
double
bar lines gives octave tuning checks in the usual manner. It shows
that
the upper five courses of the gytarra and mandora were tuned in the
same intervals with an extra course indicated below the line for the
usual six course mandora of the period (the six course guitar not
then
being known). The telling example of the Rondeau (C. Loschi),
originally for a six course instrument but later arranged for just
five
courses (Rondon 75), very well illustrates the differences required
in
intabulating the same work for the six course mandora and the five
course gytarra.
The staff after this has numbers below for an instrument with seven
additional bass courses - but only two intabulated pieces out of a
total of 124 works have had these numbers added. I therefore believe
that this section was added later - perhaps when a novel theorboed
guitar was acquired (again note that the scribe couldn't be bothered
with adding these new low basses all the way through piece 45).
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4. SIX COURSE GUITAR IN BOHEMIA, MORAVIA AND AUSTRIA IN THE
EIGHTEENTH
CENTURY
Six course guitars first appeared in Southern Spain in the 1760s and
a
little later in Italy in a six string form, but only appear in
German
speaking lands from the 1780s (the earliest extant one being by
Michael
Ignaz Stadlmann, Vienna 1787). In c.1810. the Viennese guitarist
Simon
Molitor also tells us that around 1790 the guitar entered Austria
'where earlier it had been very rarely seen' and that at the same
time
a sixth string/course was added.
As an aside, Molitor also tells of meeting a mandora player in
Vienna
(perhaps Joseph Zincke?) around 1800 (they were still around
then!) who said that he now used single strings instead of double
courses since he found it easier to tune...........
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5. CONCLUSIONS
5.1. A multi-course theorboed mandora with twelve courses never
existed
and, indeed, even the rare mandoras with up to a maximum of three
basses are not known in the period covered by the dating of D-189.
Accordingly, the most likely, and reasonable, identification of the
couple of works for an instrument with seven extra basses is the
arch/theorboed guitar.
5.2. The six course guitar is not known in the period covered by
this
collection (est. 1690 - 1720) and thus could not have been the
instrument employed for the pieces requiring a sixth course.
5.3. The tuning chart 'Accordo Gytarra et Mandora' gives the octave
checks for tuning instruments with up to six courses, and thus
serves
for the upper five courses of both the gytarra and the mandora - but
only the mandora for the sixth course .
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6. Finally, when I first came across this MS some years ago, I
wondered
if Gytarra (or Chytarra) might be a colloquial Bohemian/Moravian
synonym for the Mandora. But there was no independent supporting
evidence and, moreover, strongly against this proposition is the
precise wording of 'Accordo Gytarra et Mandora' (ie tuning of
gytarra
AND mandora) which requires two clearly different instruments - but
both having the same basic tuning for five courses. As mentioned
earlier, if it had said ' Gytarra aliter Mandora' (or similar)
things
might be different.......................
regards
Martyn
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PS Incidentally I don't know why the duet Boure (f. 69v) for Mandora
1
and 2 does not employ the sixth course: perhaps the composer
preferred
this particular piece with these instruments this way or maybe they
didn't have two guitars available? The last is not as daft as it
may
seem: at this time the mandora was immensely popular in this part of
the world with almost all known mandora makers working in this area
of
Bohemia, Moravia, upper Austria and South Bavaria (roughly bounded
by
Wurzburg, Innsbruck, Linz and Prague) - see Kirsch. MS sources with
music for mandora outnumber those for guitar from this area. Also
note
Molitor's report.
Similarly, regarding f. 48r with the 'Fundamenta Gytarra', this
simply
contains common thoeretical information for beginners as frequently
found in tablature books from these lands. They generally (as with
D-189) cover the generic principles of notation (tablature letters),
time signatures, note values and tablature flags, ornaments, etc.
and,
as in this case, apply to all the plucked instruments represented in
the following tablatures - here the mandora, gytarra, and theorboed
guitar. Obviously, a seperate 'Fundamenta' page is not needed for
each
plucked instrument represented in the same MS! The practical
information overleaf ('Accordo Gytarra et Mandora') gives the more
specific information on tuning, etc.
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PPS The dotted separation lines are an attempt to avoid Wayne's
robot
collapsing paragraphs etc in general circulation - we'll see if it
works.....................................
MH
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