On 05-Jun-2013 11:20 +0200, Marcin Szamotulski wrote:

> On 09:40 Wed 05 Jun     , Ingo Karkat wrote:
>> On 05-Jun-2013 09:10 +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, June 5, 2013 08:56, Ingo Karkat wrote:
>>>> On 05-Jun-2013 08:03 +0200, Christian Brabandt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [...] the old engine has an long standing bug with \%V ;(
>>>>>
>>>>> e.g:
>>>>>
>>>>> vim -u NONE -N
>>>>> ifoobar<esc>
>>>>> 0ve<esc>
>>>>> /\%Vfoobar\%V
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have probably provided a fix long ago.
>>>>
>>>> Where is the bug, that there's no match?! That's intended, as the last
>>>> \%V matches zero-width _after_ the end of "foobar", but the visual
>>>> selection ends on the "r". You'd have to use /\%Vfooba\%Vr here. (The
>>>> example at :help \%V is wrong about this corner case, too.)
>>>
>>> I am not sure, it is intended. I certainly wouldn't expect this (and
>>> the doc is wrong in this regard, as you said). Since
>>> \%V is zero-width, I would expect the \%V to still match the end of the
>>> visual selection.
>>
>> Zero-width means: Matches at the current position, but does not consume
>> the character; i.e. the next match is made at the same position.
>> What is needed at the final atom is: Matches at the previous position
>> (that has already been consumed). I don't know how difficult that is to
>> implement in the regular expression engine(s), but I think such a new
>> \%<V atom would be helpful.
>>
>> In my opinion it is hard to change the existing \%V in a way to fit both
>> uses: It just matches anywhere inside a selection, and has no notion of
>> start or end of selection. Therefore, it's presumably difficult to
>> change its behavior at the end of the selection without introducing
>> off-by-one errors elsewhere. I'm already struggling to come up with a
>> good and precise documentation for the new behavior; the current one is
>> at least simple to grasp (when you understand zero-width matches). And
>> it would be a compatibility-breaking change.
>>
>>>> The general case is this ugly beast: /\%Vfoobar\%(\%V\|\%(\%V.\)\@<=\).
>>>
>>> Yes, very ugly and not easily understandable.
>>>
>>>> Since restricting the match to inside the entire selection is such a
>>>> common use case (see the related vis.vim plugin), I think it would be
>>>> worthwhile to have a special atom (e.g. \%<V) that matches if the
>>>> _preceding character_ is inside the selection, allowing this much nicer
>>>> pattern: /\%Vfoobar\%<V
>>>
>>> I can understand why this happens but nevertheless it is an annoying
>>> corner-case to consider when using the \%V atom, so I'd like to have
>>> this issue resolved.
>>
>> Yes, at least the help should warn about this corner case. I ran into it
>> (and came up with the complex correct regexp) in some of my plugins, but
>> I think \%V is one of the more obscure atoms few people use. Probably
>> more users rely on the vis.vim plugin, which solves the problem in a
>> completely different way.
>>
>> -- regards, ingo
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> 
> And what about this pattern:
> /\%Vfooba\%Vr

That's fine (but hard to read) for literal text, but difficult when you
have a regular expression with multiple branches. Thinking of custom
commands that take a pattern, it's close to impossible to parse the
regular expression to insert the \%V before the match of the last character.

> Thanks I did not know this pattern and it is very handy.  I always felt
> that the search commands /, ? should have a range, so that one can limit
> the search to part of a text.  What about having two commands :<range>/
> and :<range>? for searches limited to the <range> of lines.

You can use the range-search plugin
(http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1396) for that.

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