On 2019-10-07, Gary Johnson wrote: > On 2019-10-07, martin f krafft wrote: > > Hello list, > > > > I've set up Vim in tandem with Mutt to compose format=flowed emails, > > i.e. using &fo+=aw in Vim. > > > > I'm also in the habit of using numbered and bulletted lists in emails > > a lot. > > > > Unfortunately, the two don't seem to work together well, or I am > > doing something wrong. > > > > For instance, consider the following: > > > > 1. This is the first item, spanning two rows because the text is a > > bit longer than 80 characters, or whatever &tw is set to. > > > > 2. This is the second item. > > > > The way I have Vim configured means that the second line of the first > > item is properly indented, i.e. I see: > > > > | 1. This is … | > > | bit long… | > > > > At first, I thought those spaces at the start of the second line are > > "local" in that they are only needed for presentation. However, when > > Mutt creates a MIME message, it includes those spaces! > > > > | 1. This is … text is a=20 | > > | ···bit longer | > > > > This means that recipients who don't use exactly the same font and > > window size as I do might see the following instead: > > > > | 1. This is … text | > > | is a bit longer | > > > > So there is no indent, but there are multiple subsequent spaces in > > the middle of the line, which makes the whole thing harder to read. > > > > I think all of this would be avoided if Vim didn't add those spaces > > it needs for indenting (presentation) in format=flowed mode. > > > > Is this possible? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong? > > The idea of format=flowed is to allow email messages to be displayed > nicely by email clients that do not support format=flowed as well as > by those that do. Neither Vim nor mutt should do anything to > messages to corrupt their contents. In particular, neither should > automatically remove any leading spaces. See RFC 3676. > > Vim takes care of wrapping lines at 78 columns and adds a single > trailing space to inter-paragraph line breaks. It can also handle
Oops. "inter-paragraph" should be "intra-paragraph". > formatting quoted paragraphs. That's all it should do. > > Mutt takes care of space-stuffing and does something with quoted > blocks, but I've forgotten what. That's all it should do. > > It is the responsibility of the receiving agent to reformat > format=flowed text as it sees fit. How it does that is not > specified by the RFC. > > If some receiving agent claims to support format=flowed, yet blindly > includes sequences of spaces in the middle of flowed lines, as in > your third example, I would say that agent is broken. > > Also, your second example suggests that mutt is using > quoted-printable encoding. RFC 3676 says that quoted-printable > encoding "SHOULD NOT be used for Format=Flowed unless absolutely > necessary...." > > Regards, > Gary -- -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type your reply below the text you are replying to. For more information, visit http://www.vim.org/maillist.php --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "vim_use" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vim_use+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/vim_use/20191007175404.GA18733%40phoenix.
