"The IIci was also a very fast System 6 machine, is more easily obtained,
cheaper, the memory upgrades are cheaper and easier to get,
isn't as fussy about handling devices as the IIfx and has built in video•••."
Yes that is true about the IIci.
I have been running a IIci offline since 1989-1990 using OS 6.0.8 on the
internal drive and switching every so often to two partitioned external hard
drives which have 6.0.8, 7.5.3 and 7.6.1 installed on each. Once in blue moon,
a system support file might get corrupted on my internal drive. I don't bother
trouble shooting but simply copy the offending file from one of the external
drives or sometimes the entire 6.0.8 system folder.
The IIci is configured with 32 MB SIMMs and uses an Image-writer II as a
printer. I've tried up to 128 MB memory and the IIci ran slightly faster under
each of the three operating systems but RAM Doubler works well for the 16 MB
that OS 6.0.8 recognizes and the small files that I use.
I back up each file I work with as I work with it and after I save it.
I use the IIci as a semi-intelligent typewriter and OS 6.0.8 is an almost
flawlessly responsive OS perfectly suited for what I need.
FYI: My online internet CPU is a DP G4 DA with 1.5 MB DIMMs and a 40 GB
internal drive. I back that up weekly.
Mel
--- On Sun, 1/10/10, PM7500 <[email protected]> wrote:
From: PM7500 <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Dual boot system 6 and 7
To: "Vintage Macs" <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 9:43 AM
A IIfx will run System 6 (Boy will it ever run System 6), but their
rarity and high price does not make them a very good value for someone
looking to run System 6 software unless they already happen to have
one. The IIci was also a very fast System 6 machine, is more easily
obtained, cheaper, the memory upgrades are cheaper and easier to get,
isn't as fussy about handling devices as the IIfx and has built in
video where you need a Nubus card in a IIfx. There are also upgrades
out there to speed up the IIci to bring it closer to IIfx speeds
although those are hard to get and probably not going to be cheap. I
saw a complete IIci with 33mhz 030 upgrade recently for almost $400,
but a complete IIfx with fully upgraded RAM and an accelerated video
card would probably go for around twice that.
On Jan 10, 1:30 am, pgpapas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd typed up the following reply this morning, but I just realized I
> hadn't hit send so It didn't get posted.
> It's moot now, really, in light of the last couple of replies, but
> what the hey - I might as well post it now anyway :)
>
> Martyn, aside from checking one or two out at the computer shop when
> they first came out, I have no experience with Quadras (my last Mac
> was a IIfx) so personally I don't recall if they run on System 6 -- I
> was of the impression that they did NOT. In any event, use advice I
> give you with caution - it will all be based on experience from having
> used (extensively I might add) first and 2nd generation Macs, that is:
> 512Ks, SE30s, and Mac IIs. (And as for Pagemaker, sorry, but I can't
> recall which version I was using - it was a long time ago.) That
> said, if you do know that the Quadra does indeed run on 6, I can tell
> you from my experience, having several systems on hand is not a
> problem. In fact, I found it quite useful.
>
> The key is this: for the Mac to boot, the system and finder files have
> to be within the same folder. This will be the active system folder,
> regardless of where it's located or whether any other files are in it
> - just to be clear, any folder containg a system file and a finder
> file (and ONLY one each) will be the "System Folder" -- the Mac will
> recognize it as such at startup and run from it. Btw, once it finds
> those 2 files together, it should look no further and happy mac should
> smile, but thats not 'guaranteed' so be sure there's only one of each
> or it could get 'confused' and quickly lose that initial smile. As I
> recall, the last system 6 configuration I was running consisted of 3
> versions plus the one that was running (from amongst 6.0.1, 6.0.4,
> 6.0.5 and 6.0.7). I had several folders within the System Folder,
> labelled 6.0.1 to 6.0.7, which stored the os files that were not in
> use, and in each of these was another folder for keeping the
> corresponding finder file (separated from the system file). To switch
> to another system I'd just move the currently running system & finder
> file into the appropriately labelled set, move the system & finder
> version I wanted to use out into the main System Folder, and reboot.
> Worked like a charm. (Sometimes I'd keep more copies on hand as well
> to experiment with using ResEdit. I'd just be sure to have a floppy
> with a system and finder at the ready in case something went wrong,
> then I could boot from the floppy, go into the System Folder and
> shuffle the files back to what worked).
>
> Doing that with System 7 would work as well, but it was a bit more
> complicated (and easier to screw up) being as 7 uses fonts differently
> plus treats DAs as applications, etc., so I came up with another way.
> I found what worked best for making 6 and 7 "interchangeable" with the
> least hassle was this (just for info, btw - I know you're already
> using 7): prior to unstalling/upgrading to system 7, I made a copy of
> the entire System (6) Folder, then within the original System Folder I
> created a new folder into which I tucked the finder file to separate
> it from the system file. Thus the new copied folder (which I'd
> labelled "System6") became the active System Folder. Then when running
> the System 7 installer, it replaced the copied setup, leaving the
> original intact but inactive. Once 7 was installed, I renamed the new
> System Folder "System7" and created another empty folder in that.
> With all that done, I could switch back to system 6 by simply putting
> the 7 finder into the empty folder, moving the 6 finder into its
> System Folder and rebooting - and vice versa to go back to 7.
>
> As for a system 6 boot floppy, again all that matters really is that
> you have a folder containing a system file and finder file; the
> machine will boot from that - with limitations, mind you. The Mac
> won't be able to do as much, simply because you haven't added as many
> system files - DAs, fonts, etc. Of course, you can - and should - add
> some, but that's dependent on how much you can fit onto the floppy --
> AND I SHOULD STRESS: I don't know which, if any, other items need to
> be added for the Quadra to run properly. Better check with someone
> more familiar with the Quadra before doing anything.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> On Jan 9, 4:24 am, martynl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have a Quadra 610, which currently has System 7.x installed.
>
> > I have some programs which don't run on the Quadra under system 7,
> > even when I turn off 32 bit addressing, the 68040 cache, and colour.
> > Most especially, PageMaker 3 setup, which I really need to run...
>
> > So I think my next step is to install system 6 on the Quadra.
>
> > Is there a way to do this so that I can dual-boot system 6 and system
> > 7? I seem to remember that one used to be able to 'bless' different
> > system folders on early Mac OSes. Can I still do that? How do I make
> > sure that my System 6 install doesn't screw up System 7? Would it help
> > if I used a second hard drive?
>
> > I also seem to remember that system 6 booted from a floppy. Can I do
> > that? The MacOS boot floppies I have don't seem to boot my Quadra.
> > Will I be able to make a System 6 boot floppy? How can I do that?
>
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> > Martyn- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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