Grant, thanks for your informative message. I think we will just have to
agree to disagree rather than continuing to offer differing views. If I
cared more, I'd call Apple myself and/or go to an Apple store and do
more Internet searching, but I don't really other than just to say that
if I do have to reset my phone, I will do it in the way that I'm
comfortable with, just as you will with yours.
Cheers.
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On 5/31/2012 6:41 AM, Grant Hardy wrote:
Hey Raul, I think this will be the last time I chime in on this
subject, but I'm afraid that's not correct - holding down power and
home for ten to twelve seconds is a forcible reset and doesn't
properly shut down anything. Think about it. If it did, then if there
ever were a software flaw that prevented the phone from being shut
down properly, this reset, intended for these very cases, would not
work! The reason there is a delay is as a safety mechanism, so that
you don't do the reset inadvertently. That does not mean it is
shutting down/rebooting the phone officially. I assure you that it is
not.
I agree - pressing POWER five times to crash the springboard is not
something I'd necessarily want to encourage. But at the same time,
crashing your springboard will _not_ corrupt the internal workings of
the phone - the springboard is simply a system service for launching
apps.
Again, a lot of the people offering the point of view opposite to mine
do not really understand how things such as the forcible reset
actually work.
Grant
On 5/31/12, Raul A. Gallegos<r...@raulgallegos.com> wrote:
Hi all, I feel that what David and Neil have stated are more correct for
what it's worth. I personally have not looked up or researched whether
or not it's a good idea to force a reboot via the power button being
pressed multiple times, but on the surface it just seems silly and not
safe to me. At least when you do the power button/home button for 12
seconds, it's giving the iOS system a chance to try and do what it can
so that files and data are not being accessed while the phone is forced
to reboot. This is why it's probably a several second process.
Additionally, it could be that it's on purpose so you don't accidentally
reboot your phone without meaning to.
Lastly, folks, please update the subject lines.<smile>
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On 5/31/2012 6:10 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
Hello Grant,
My friend is some sort of developer. You can argue for crashing the
springboard all you want saying it will not corrupt any code. My friend
says there is a very slight chance that it could corrupt code. I prefer
not to take that chance. I have corrupted code in a pocket pc which then
required me to do a complete rebuild from my computer. As this takes time
which I prefer not to spend in such fashion, I choose not to take the
chance.
An Apple support person is the one who told me that the home and power
buttons simultaneously for 10 to 12 seconds reboots the phone and properly
restores the driver stacks. From my timing of both restarts, the reboot
takes longer for booting up than the power cycling for booting up.
To be precise, the higher level support specialist told me to first turn
the iPhone off then on, and once it has come fully on, do the reboot.
Sorry, but I trust both of these people over what you are saying on the
list. My developer friend is a software engineer. The Apple tech support
person was in the higher tier of support.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 31/05/2012, at 19:28, Grant Hardy<grantha...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Neil, the twelve-second holding down of HOME and POWER is a forced
reboot, rather like pressing the REBOOT button on a PC. If system
corruption could occur on an iPhone using the other method (which as
I've said I'm skeptical about), then it most certainly could occur
with the reboot method as well, which does not shut anything down.
Crashing your springboard is not "a forced collapsing" of the iOS
platform; the springboard is one part of the iOS architecture. It's
the part of iOS from which apps are launched. It does not store any
critical user data.
I think there are a fair few misconceptions about this topic on list.
I don't mean to be argumentative but it is important that people
understand them, and that if you have a theory (such as that data
corruption could occur) that you make clear that it is just that--a
theory. People who are stating this theory have relatively little
technical data to back it up--case and point, the "forced collapsing
of the iOS system" statement, which this is not.
Warmly :)
Grant
On 5/31/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav<for...@talknav.com> wrote:
Adrian,
I agree very much with David's suggestions, the stuttering of Voice Over
is
a classic symptom of an over full App Switcher and / or a handset which
is
rarely power cycled.
My strong recommendation for all iOS users, is to empty their App
Switcher
daily and perform a power cycle immediately there after.
This has kept my iPhone and iPad running smoothly ever since the first
stuttering symptoms appeared.
In addition, as a system admin I also hold to David's assertion that
there
is a possible chance of corruption by performing the forced collapsing
of
the iOS platform resulting from the 5 successive presses of the power
key.
The iOS device at this time is not expecting this crash and as a result
maybe accessing a key string of code, or a significant part of your
user
data. If this happened at the exact moment you performed the 5
successive
presses of the power key, it is conceivable that it might corrupt data.
The 12 second or however long it is, press of power and home at the
same
time, is far more logical and sensible. As it is coded into the iOS as
a
sort of… I want to reboot this device, prepare for it please and stop
doing
anything critical notification to the device.
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather
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iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
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On 30 May 2012, at 23:17, adrian wrote:
is it normal for voice over to stutter a lot? every time i read using
voice over i find it stutters a lot. does any one know of a way i can
fix
it?
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