Hi Cara,
I am surprised that you don't have better luck with Siri searching. You 
mentioned having trouble searching and having to type in search queries. What a 
drag. I knew about the bad alphabet thing. And I can't imagine why they did the 
music search thing with having to flip through songs. That is really stupid. 
I'm not in any rush to buy one of these.
Mary


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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Larry,
> 
> Just a quick note about this for now.
> 
> Here are some thoughts on the latest Apple TV. Please remember these are only 
> my opinions. Others may feel differently.
> 
> • text / data entry
> 
> This is by far the worst part of the experience in my opinion. the alphabet 
> is laid out in a continuous line from left to right which makes it extremely 
> tedious for a VO user to enter text. A sighted user can simply swipe faster 
> to move the cursor faster but even a sighted user must go back and forth and 
> back and forth to enter any text.
> 
> A VO user has the added annoyance that each swipe left or right only moves 
> the cursor one letter at a time, so to go from a to z takes 25 swipes and 
> then another 25 to go back to a. You can imagine how crazy this can get if 
> you need to type in many letters which are not close to each other in the 
> alphabet.
> 
> • Artists are displayed by songs and not albums
> 
> When searching artists in Music, each album which is displayed for an artist 
> is shown by its songs. So if you have an artist that has three albums in your 
> library, you will need to flick through every song in the first two albums 
> before you can access the third album. If there is another way to display 
> these search results, I haven’t found it yet. So if you have artists with 
> tens of albums in your library as I do, this is just ridiculous and not at 
> all enjoyable to have to go through just to find an album you wish to hear.
> 
> • TV seasons are displayed by show
> 
> As with the album results described above, when searching through purchased 
> TV seasons in iTunes, one must scroll through every single show in a season 
> to get to the latest show to watch.
> 
> For example, I have all of the seasons of Shark Tank and when I go to watch 
> the latest episode, I am placed at the earliest episode I have and need to 
> continue flicking right until I get all the way to the last show in the 
> latest season. Once again, I find no way of changing this. So I find this to 
> be simply absurd.
> 
> • VO and Music Playback
> 
> This one may not bother others but it sure bugs me. :) As with earlier Apple 
> TV models, VO announces song names as the song changes. I.E. when one song 
> fades and the next song you are listening to begins, VO comes in with an 
> announcement of the new song’s title. This was all well and good on the 
> Earlier Apple TV models where I could simply turn off VO if I did not want 
> this behavior. (which I absolutely do not) However, on the new Apple TV, 
> turning off VO renders controlling the music playback very difficult if not 
> impossible in many cases. The earlier remote made it possible to control 
> music playback easily without VO running. Since the 4th gen Apple TV has the 
> touch pad remote, the music player takes advantage of this by one needing to 
> flick up or down as well as left or right to access the music player 
> controls. As well, you can also drag the play position of the track which can 
> make trying to control music playback very difficult without sight.
> 
> So in essence, the music player behaves differently depending on which mode 
> you are in, and there seems to be no good way to tell this with any sense of 
> assuredness with VO off. So for those like me, who absolutely cannot stand 
> Voiceover interrupting my music with its fairly loud chatter, there seems to 
> be no really elegant way to play music.
> 
> • No bluetooth keyboard support
> 
> The way I tend to watch YouTube is to do a quick search, check out some 
> videos, do another quick search and so on… This is pretty much impossible 
> without access to a keyboard. As I said above, entering text is just arduous 
> so the whole sense of spontanaety is lost and the experience is just not fun 
> or intuitive in my opinion.
> 
> • Bugs
> 
> Having said what I have above, I have not even touched on the various bugs 
> and quirks I have found so far with the Apple TV 4th gen. They far outweigh 
> anything I have seen on previous generations. The previous Apple TVs have 
> been quite stable. Unfortunately though, I have already seen a few issues 
> that are just strange on this latest incarnation. while not a deal-breaker, I 
> just wanted to mention them.
> 
> So what do I like about the Apple TV 4th gen? The sound quality is far 
> superior to that of the 3rd gen. The stereo separation and the airy sense of 
> space with 5.1 surround is vastly better on the latest Apple TV.
> 
> Having more fine-grained control over Voiceover’s rate of speech is a huge 
> boon. Having Apple Music present is wonderful and having apps and games 
> available is a very nice touch.
> 
> Lastly, the ability to write apps for the Apple TV is something I am looking 
> forward to.
> 
> So there you have it. -Some of my thoughts on the Apple TV 4th gen.
> 
> Thanks for reading and please do have a lovely weekend!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> On Nov 28, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Cara.  Would you mind sharing with me what you don't like about the apple 
> tv 4th generation? thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Larry,
>> 
>> No, unfortunately, the 3rd gen Apple TV does not work with Apple Music.
>> 
>> I have no idea wether or not this will change but I do not think so. Not 
>> sure what Apple is thinking with this kind of product and service 
>> fragmentation which I bet never would have flown when Steve was around. ;)
>> 
>> Personally I am disappointed that this is the case since quite honestly, I 
>> have extremely mixed feelings about the Apple TV 4th gen. I frankly think 
>> the user experience in way too many areas is substandard at best and 
>> outright excruciating at worst.
>> 
>> Either way, not my favorite experience with an Apple product.
>> 
>> I say all this because Apple Music was one of the primary reasons I 
>> purchased the Apple TV 4th gen so I do wish they would host Apple Music on 
>> the other models as well.
>> 
>> -Just my thoughts of course…
>> 
>> Sorry I cannot share better news. :)
>> 
>> Have a lovely weekend!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
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>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.  I have subscribed to apple music for the free 3 months and have 
>> successfully gotten albums to my library.  They show up in itunes on the pc 
>> and on my ipad but apple tv 3rd generation doesn’t seem to see them in the 
>> music program or in my shared computer.  Will the apple tv 3rd generation 
>> play itunes albums added through apple music?
>> 
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