Hi robin,

Please tell me more…

I would love to hear why you disagree with me in this regard.

Perhaps I can learn something I do not know on this.

Thanks so much and do have a lovely weekend!

Cheers!

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On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:

Cara,

Great Assessment, but I disagreee with it as it pertains to Apple as it is run 
today. I do agree with your assessment of Apple under SteveJobs.
At 03:17 PM 12/11/2015, you wrote:
> Not sure if my last message on this topic actually made it to the list so 
> here goes once more, with feeling. :)
> 
> Robin, I understand what you are saying here but honestly, though Steve most 
> certainly was of the philosophy that to make sure you gave people what they 
> want, simply tell them what they want.
> 
> While this sounds incredibly obnoxious on the surface, Steve demonstrated 
> time and time again that despite this outward image, he definitely had his 
> finger on the pulse of what people actually would find helpful and useful in 
> their day-to-day lives.
> 
> This in my opinion is why this sort of philosophy worked for Steve but not 
> for very many others.
> 
> Mostly people try to guess what people want or to just assume that people 
> want what they, themselves, want. These attempts tend to have a spectacular 
> failure rate as we have seen.
> 
> Steve was not arbitrary in anything he did so the products which came out of 
> Apple were also not arbitrary. Their design was for a reason, and for the 
> most part, I think there’s no denying that it worked well.
> 
> Now however, in my view, I feel that Apple is acting as if Steve is still 
> around and displaying the kind of attitude that allowed. The problem with 
> this is that the kind of vision which Steve lent to Apple’s innovations 
> just isn’t there. So in my opinion, you end up with a lot of disconnected, 
> arbitrary product decisions which just don’t work together as well as they 
> might.
> 
> This is of course, just my view, and I would welcome differing ones here as 
> well. If I am wrong on this one, please, by all means, show me how and I will 
> gladly listen. In this case at least, I would certainly love to be wrong. :)
> 
> Thanks for reading and please do have a lovely weekend / holiday season!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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> On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Correct Jonathan, Apple users are Lucky SteveJobs isn't in control because if 
> he intended to make the iPhone thinner, the HeadPhone Jack would be gone.
> 
> Does anyone recall him (SteveJobs) saying people can have WhatEver color they 
> like, so long as its Black.
> At 06:30 AM 12/10/2015, you wrote:
> > Hi Scott, when it comes to Apple rumours, it's important to look at their 
> > source, and whether they have a track record of accuracy. We're seeing 
> > credible sources suggesting that Apple may be holding an event in March to 
> > launch the Apple Watch 2. Since the iPhone 6C if it eventuates would be 
> > using the same chips that are already being produced for iPhone 6s and 6s 
> > Plus, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it will be launched 
> > then. If there is to be an iPhone 6c, Apple won't want it overshadowing the 
> > iPhone 7 announcements. Those phones will of course be the current screen 
> > sizes.
> > As for the headphone jack issue and your comment that people are being bent 
> > out of shape about it, again it's important to consider how credible the 
> > source is. We know that Apple has been thinking about the issue because 
> > they patented their own proprietary headphone jack, and then they 
> > introduced specs for made for iPhone headphones that use the Lightning 
> > port. As you say, there is a pair of headphones with a Lightning connector 
> > in the Apple Store now. for 800 bucks. And the rumour has been deemed 
> > credible enough to have been commented on extensively by many respected 
> > technology news sites, including Cult of Mac, 9 to 5 Mac, Apple Insider, 
> > Beta News, CNet, and Mashable. Even CBS has picked it up.
> > But there is one site remaining curiously and ominously silent. What I find 
> > deeply disappointing is that AppleVis has not said a thing about a topic 
> > which could have an enormous impact on the way blind people use their 
> > iPhones. It's not just hearing impaired people who will take a hit, but 
> > anyone who wants to use their iPhone with minimal latency and energy 
> > consumption, who appreciate being able to charge their phones while they 
> > also enjoy the privacy that the headphone jack affords. There is an 
> > important and unique use case here that Apple need to be made aware of 
> > before it's too late, and for AppleVis to remain silent when many other 
> > Apple blogs are speaking out is a gross dereliction of duty in my opinion. 
> > Why isn't this an AppleVis campaign of the month? Staying silent on such an 
> > important issue, when AppleVis could at least be encouraging users to 
> > complete the feedback form, is ostrich-like in the extreme. I think it's 
> > time users held AppleVis to account for its silence on this.
> > Jonathan Mosen
> > Mosen Consulting
> > Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> > http://Mosen.org
> >
> >> On 11/12/2015, at 3:06 AM, Scott Davert <scottslistm...@gmail.com > wrote:
> >>
> >> February? I doubt that. When was the last time an iPhone wasn't
> >> released in the fall?
> >> I think, like with the headphone rumor, getting all bent out of shape
> >> is just not really going to help much. However, there could be more
> >> reason for the headphone rumor to becoming closer to a reality since
> >> Apple is now selling headphones with lightning connectors. SO while I
> >> doubt it'll happen next year, it's certainly not out of the rehlm of
> >> possibilities. I don't like the idea for a lot of reasons, one of them
> >> being that, just like the 1 port Mac, which is stupid imho, this will
> >> force me to carry around more crap if I need to use more than one port
> >> at a time. It also means more stuff to charge, shorter battery life on
> >> my phone, and the delay from VoiceOver. Maybe they'll just introduce
> >> the lack of a headphone plug on the 6C, assuming that rumor is going
> >> to come to pass, and see how it plays out. However, I'd say that the
> >> 5C was not a success, so they may not bother.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> On 12/9/15, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net > wrote:
> >>> Actually I would love a smaller phone and if that particular rumor is 
> >>> true I
> >>>
> >>> will be thinking very much about upgrading to the 7. I like a phone which
> >>> fits into the pocket on cargo pants when shopping, etc. so the larger 
> >>> phones
> >>>
> >>> just don't fit. And the less space I have to search around the screen for
> >>> things the faster and more efficient I am. JMT.
> >>> Marie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rajmund
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:30 AM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> Yes, that was it. Glad we got it. :)
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Christopher Chaltain  <chalt...@gmail.com>
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:28 pm
> >>> Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, in your original post you said "Not just the size, but it does
> >>>> contribute. Price, and quality also contributes", and I'm not sure what
> >>>> you meant by this. At first I thought you meant that a smaller iPhone
> >>>> would be cheaper and of less quality, but now I'm thinking you mean that
> >>>> size, quality and price figure into your decision in buying a new phone.
> >>>>
> >>>> In your last post you said "not sure which part, you have taken" which
> >>>> also confuses me a bit, but I'm guessing you're saying you're not sure
> >>>> which part of your message I didn't understand.
> >>>>
> >>>> Either way, I think we're all good now.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/12/15 00:06, Rajmund wrote:
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>> If apple comes up with a smaller phone, I would want it. So not sure
> >>>>> which part, you have taken as I'm worried about it. Clarify, please?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: Christopher Chaltain  <chalt...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 2:21 am
> >>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First, I think the bending issue was much to do about nothing. I'm not
> >>>>>> sure I understand the rest of your message, but a smaller iPhone won't
> >>>>>> mean a low budget iPhone. If Apple does come out with a smaller
> >>>>>> iPhone,
> >>>>>> it'll still be a high quality top of the line smart phone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 08/12/15 08:03, Rajmund wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>> One of the reasons of me not getting a 6 is the size. Not just the
> >>>>>>> size, but it does contribute. Price, and quality also contributes. And
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm worried of it bending. It may not, but I'm worried about that, as
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: terrie arnold  <terrieiph...@me.com>
> >>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:56 pm
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have  heard  of them comming  back out  with a small  iphone  the
> >>>>>>>> size  of the  5s , as  I have  heard  that  this size  has been
> >>>>>>>> requested  since  the  larger 6s came  out. I heard  this  on a tech
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> report  on Fox  and  CNN
> >>>>>>>>   , so what  do all  of you think about  this , would you  get a
> >>>>>>>> smaller  phone , and thoes  of you that are  hanging  on to the  5s,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 4s  and  some of the 3gs
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My thoughts for today
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 12:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Rob from the Today in iOS Podcast made a few good points in his
> >>>>>>>>> latest episode where he of course talked about this. Firstly, he
> >>>>>>>>> mentioned that this rumour has not surfaced for the first time, I
> >>>>>>>>> think it did also come up 2 years ago. Secondly, he mentioned that
> >>>>>>>>> that the iPod Touch is almost 1 mm thinner than the 6S or 6S Plus
> >>>>>>>>> and it still has a 3.5mm headphone jack.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 11:07 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, I have said before and will say again that I think it is a
> >>>>>>>>> stupid idea to trade off one millimeter of thickness for the
> >>>>>>>>> headphone jack. I do not want an adapter. I do not want to pay for
> >>>>>>>>> it, nor do I want to lose it, which is almost inevitable. And then I
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> would have to buy another one. I'm sure it won't be a two dollar
> >>>>>>>>> item. And there's just no reason for it. 1 mm? Come on. If it were
> >>>>>>>>> for some seriously good reason, OK. But 1 mm? This is just crazy.
> >>>>>>>>> Mary
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net >
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I suspect this is going to happen, and I really don't see any
> >>>>>>>>>> problem with buying an adapter for existing headphones to use to
> >>>>>>>>>> plug into the lightning port.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Chip
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> >>>>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of nicholasacosta...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 4:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: iPhone seven rumors
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone hello, as you all may know you might have heard
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> of some rumors claiming that the next iPhone will not have a
> >>>>>>>>>> headphone jack.. So, this might not be a good thing for Apple to do
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> this. But, reports are also saying that they might use the
> >>>>>>>>>> lightning connector that you use to charge the iPhone to use it as
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> a headphone jack. But, that means that in order for somebody's
> >>>>>>>>>> headphones to fit into that Jack, they will need to support a
> >>>>>>>>>> lightning connector for the headphones. I don't know what the
> >>>>>>>>>> companies will think about this change if it happens. Remember, if
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> this rumor is true, please email Apple and tell them not to do
> >>>>>>>>>> this. Also, people might think that if there wasn't a headphone
> >>>>>>>>>> jack, we might still be able to use Bluetooth. But, this might not
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> be what somebody else lights. Having a headphone jack is better.
> >>>>>>>>>> What will also happen to any Bluetooth speakers that people own?
> >>>>>>>>>> These speakers might have a headphone jack connected to them and
> >>>>>>>>>> might require that you plug
> >>>> i
> >>>>>> t into the headphone jack in order to use. I hope that Apple does not
> >>>>>> make this move because it might not do any good for them. The iPhone
> >>>>>> sales might go down. We would not want that to happen just because
> >>>>>> Apple made this change. Please remember, the iPhone 7 is still in the
> >>>>>> making and these are just rumors. As long as we tell Apple what we
> >>>>>> want, who knows, they might listen to us. But, we can't just keep
> >>>>>> quiet. We need to try.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
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