Exactly my centiments, that’s what i’m trying to say, that we have to learn what comes natively on the device before we even can make an informed choice, plus if worst comes to worst as you use another input method, you can always fall back on the first one. /Krister
> 16 feb. 2016 kl. 21:18 skrev Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com>: > > First of all, you are asking if your opinion is wrong, and I would say > no. Personally, I choose to use the virtual keyboard most times. It > does take a little longer if I use one finger to type but it gets the > job done. I have also used a Bluetooth keyboard, Braille screen input, > and the no longer available Fleksy VO app to type in different > situations. Usually I will use the on screen virtual keyboard, but if > I have to write a longer text I use Fleksy VO. I have also used the > Perkins keyboard on my Focus 14 Blue Braille display. If I were > teaching someone that has never used an iOS device before, I would > train them at first on the virtual keyboard, since I think there is a > high value in using what comes natively on the device. After they have > mastered the virtual keyboard and understand cursor movement, then I > might move them up to a Bluetooth keyboard or Siri, but only after > they have mastered the virtual keyboard. Having options is great, but > what is even better is being able to choose among those options in > different situations or environments, and not just always relying upon > one or two methods because that is what one is used to or has always > used. I have worked with students before that always use Siri, and > getting them to switch to a different method can be like pulling > teeth. Some people can't switch due to various limitations. I will > often ask them, "So how well will Siri work if you are in a noisy > place or waiting for the bus and there's lots of traffic?" Anyway, > sorry for the rant; just brought to mind teachable moments and > different skill levels and people. > > Just my thoughts, > Wayne > > On 2/16/16, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com <mailto:roseco...@q.com>> wrote: >> Yes, will I have an iPad mini, the original 16 MB, WIFI only that I was >> given by Tom after I showed him how to use the one we got for him. It came >> with a keyboard cover, but the keys seemed off to me, too small and no >> travel, made so many errors with it that I gave up on using it. >> >> Since I have been alone for the past 20 months I seldom use the iPad, did >> for mail when my computer was down but could not when the internet went down >> last fall, maybe I could have used the phone to connect it but I did not. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I tried to connect the Logitech keyboard I got for Tom but I am >> missing something, it has not worked but I know it did on his mini and >> iPhone, both of which have been passed on to other people. Keyboard was >> new, gave it to him four days before he passed for his birthday, he liked it >> and it does have a great touch but I have not gotten it to connect, if there >> is a key that needs to be pressed I have not found it, wish I had because >> for a Bluetooth it has the best touch I have ever used. Have Amazon Basics >> now, it is okay, at least I can tell when it is on or off, just connected to >> my phone. >> >> My iPad mini seems to have super sensitive touch despite changing settings >> which is one reason I don’t give it much of a workout these days, I would >> sell it but it is a dinosaur these days, bought in late August 2013 after I >> showed Tom how to use the one he bought to use at the hospital. >> >> Best part is the speaker, for reading books, not bad, I seldom touch it, not >> even sure if it is updated from 8. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rose Combs >> >> <mailto:roseco...@q.com <mailto:roseco...@q.com>> roseco...@q.com >> <mailto:roseco...@q.com> >> >> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the >> memory! >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 9:40 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Why do we want to use a physical keyboard? >> >> >> >> Rose, I'm with you. I have been using computers sense the days of Dos. >> Before that, I learned to type in grade school and I don't 'wanna tell ya >> how long ago that was! I like dictation on my iPhone 5s, and it works great >> for text messages, short notes, and from time to time, a personal log entry. >> What I'm saying here is, my first choice is to type it. A keyboard case >> gives me all the options I need. >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad Air >> >> >> On Feb 16, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com >> <mailto:roseco...@q.com>> wrote: >> >> I use a Bluetooth keyboard because I have been typing for more than 50 years >> and am much faster with one, using the onscreen model I get to thinking >> ahead and make a mess unless it is just a very short message. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rose Combs >> >> roseco...@q.com <mailto:roseco...@q.com> >> >> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the >> memory! >> >> >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf >> Of Devin Prater >> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 5:58 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>; >> viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Why do we want to use a physical keyboard? >> >> >> >> Your reasoning isn't flawed at all. I use a Bluetooth keyboard because I'm >> faster at it than using the iOS keyboard, and Fleksy often reverted to >> typing exactly where I touched, which means it was garbage being typed. So I >> deleted that, because having to restart voiceover whenever that happened, >> whih was often for me, was a real pain. Braille screen input, however >> amazing, means that I'd have to turn my device to landscape mode, type, >> correct any mistakes, twist the rotor, or do the "back" gesture, and find >> the send button or whatever. With a keyboard, I can just navigate, using the >> keyboard, to the place where I want to type, type, and if in messenger, >> messages, Kik, Whatsapp, and countless other apps, just press enter to send. >> If I'm in outlook Mobile, I'd press command+enter to automatically send a >> message. Other keyboard shortcuts like that work too, in other apps. Yes, I >> have to take two devices, but no, it's not that much worse than taking an >> iPhone and a charger, or an iPhone and a braille display, or a braille >> display and its chargers, or an iPhone and a purse. >> >> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>> >> From Devin Prater >> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:57 AM -0800, "Krister Ekstrom" >> <kris...@kristersplace.com <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> This is *not* critizism even though it might seem so. I merely want to test >> my opinion in a matter where i more or less have been accused of being >> wrong. >> You see, i want those i tell and sometimes teach about the iDevices to know >> their device thoroughly so that they don’t get stuck somewhere if things >> happen and so that they themselves can make an informed choice about for >> example what input method to use and so i have said that if you want an >> iPhone you’ll have to learn and know about the virtual keyboard before you >> get to decide if you want to use it or not. >> I for example am not using a physical bluetooth keyboard although i have a >> little cute one sitting around here. Now i’m exclusively using Fleksy for my >> typing needs, and sometimes when i’m in a hurry to make a calendar >> appointment for example i use Siri and then go in and edit the calendar >> entry afterwards but before i used Fleksy i used the stock iOs keyboard. >> I have chosen to do this because i don’t want to carry many gadgets with me >> all the time, but those are my choices, so please tell me what in my opinion >> is wrong because i am apparently so dence i can’t understand it. 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