Ron, It seems, and i could be wrong here, that the Knfb reader no longer is as tolerant as it used to be. As i said in an earlier post, the left side of the document is now often produsing gibberish, where it didn’t do this before. /Krister
> 4 juli 2016 kl. 05:46 skrev Ron <ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca>: > > Krister, > > Don't worry too much about the corners. Even if it says that not all corners > are visible, continue to do what you did before. Get it to tell you that all > sides are visible and go with that. You'll get good results > Don't worry too much about inches or centimetres if it means nothing to you. > Hold your camera in both hands with your elbows on the table on both side of > the document and go with that. Better be a little too high than a little too > low anyway. > > Ron & Danvers > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Krister Ekstrom > Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 6:50 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: KNFB reader > > Hi, one of the problems i'm having is that i have no perspective of measuring > at all. I don't know how common this is among totally blind people but to me, > centimeters, inches and so on doesn't mean anything. > I once had quite good success with the knfb reader but since the update where > corners was taken into account when determining a correct scan i no longer > can get it to work. I have no sighted people who have time practicing with me > so that's where it stands. > /Krister > > Skickat från min iPhone > >> 2 juli 2016 kl. 20:21 skrev Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: >> >> Hi Krister, >> >> I certainly hope you didn't feel I was "flaming" you; if it came across this >> way I want to apologize since it certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply >> responding to your statement you didn't get any help on the list regarding >> this with examples of helpful posts where people tried to explain what they >> do. I do understand that not everybody is created equal and certain tasks >> are very difficult for some people. When I was at the German Secondary High >> School for the Blind in Marburg, Germany, a girl in my class had such poor >> O&M skills that she would get turned around in a 6 foot (2 meter) wide >> corridor and didn't realize it. She had hours and hours of O&M training but >> simply had no sense of direction or special awareness and it is hard for me >> to even imagine how this can be since my sense of direction, balance and >> special awareness is extremely good. Of course I had perfect sight for the >> first almost 17 years of my life and was a competitive gymnast, horseback >> rider and recreational skier so balance is just not an issue for me and even >> now that I am 49 I rarely hurt myself if I do take a fall somewhere. Of >> course when I do hurt myself it seems to hurt longer than it did 20 years >> ago *smile*. >> Anyhow, if you had sighted help and practiced lots and still find it >> difficult I don't think you need to feel ashamed about not being able to do >> it, simply use a stand since that should do the trick for you. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:08 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: KNFB reader >> >> Hi. Maybe i'm being sarcastic about it because i'm so stupid i don't >> understand the instructions given and if so this entire thing is simply my >> fault and i will then try my very best to shut up in this matter and not say >> another word. And please believe me when i say that this isn't in the least >> bit ironic or sarcastic. I have been given help and i'm too dumb to >> understand your help and i am truly ashamed of myself and deserve all the >> flaming i'll get. >> /Krister >> >> >> Skickat från min iPhone >> >>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 18:53 skrev Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com>: >>> >>> But how will this affect the placement of the paper? >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> Skickat från min iPhone >>> >>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:30 skrev Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net>: >>>> >>>> Somebody said to put your elbows on the desk and your hands up straight, >>>> hold the phone in your hand and take the picture. >>>> At 07:19 AM 7/2/2016, you wrote: >>>>> I have a standscan or what they are called but i'd rather try doing it >>>>> free hand since there's no room for a stand at the desk where i sit. >>>>> Thanks for the info >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 14:13 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Krista, >>>>>> Did you ever get a stand to use with the OCR apps? I know this isn't the >>>>>> same as taking a picture on the fly, and I would be very happy to try >>>>>> again explaining how I do that. but a stand is a surefire way of getting >>>>>> good results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Krista, when you say you never got any help from the list, I have to say >>>>>> that I know I have exchanged many emails with you in the past on this >>>>>> subject. so too have others. I do know that for many people using the >>>>>> camera with the phone is a difficult one. however, I could not agree >>>>>> that it is impossible for people who don't see it all because many of us >>>>>> do you have success. I am sure we would all share out tips and tricks >>>>>> with you. but, from personal experience, having someone with you who can >>>>>> see what you are doing is a very good way to get started. also, when I >>>>>> first started out with Prismo, I hat to practice like mad before it >>>>>> worked for me. perhaps, this is why the KNFB reader just worked out of >>>>>> the box in my case. >>>>>> >>>>>> feel free to ask for ideas, >>>>>> Sandy >>>>>> >>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 12:17, Krister Ekstrom >>>>>>> <<mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>kris...@kristersplace.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How nice that people are getting such splended results with the knfv >>>>>>> reader. I have to aggree with Gordan though. I don't know what the hell >>>>>>> i do wrong vut for me the knfv reader just don't work period. I have >>>>>>> asked on this list and on Applevis for help but haven't gotten any so >>>>>>> now i rely entirely on sighted help for reading text. >>>>>>> /Krister >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skickat frÃ¥n min iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 juli 2016 kl. 11:49 skrev 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone >>>>>>>> <<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Gordon, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would like to add my voice to Anne's here! I think it was both she >>>>>>>> and I who first championed the use of Prizmo, some years back, using >>>>>>>> the old 4 phone!! Certainly, at first it was a challenge, but we did >>>>>>>> get some results which would, at the very least, give one a good >>>>>>>> over-view of what was on the paper. When the KNFB app came out, or >>>>>>>> rather, when the hype leading up to its coming out, was at its hottest >>>>>>>> and they said "we won't be charging a lot for it", only to then >>>>>>>> announce that it would cost a wacking 100 Dollars, I decided I would >>>>>>>> never buy it, seeing it as one more example of the "rip-off" of the >>>>>>>> adaptive market. However, within a day or so of its appearing on the >>>>>>>> app store, I read sufch glowing reports of the app that I swallowed my >>>>>>>> pride and bought it. I have found it to be truly liberating! True, in >>>>>>>> those days I could see enough to tell if the targeted sheet was >>>>>>>> roughly on the screen, which helped emensely! but now, and for the >>>>>>>> last 2 years, I have had no sight at all, not even light, which used >>>>>>>> to be so useful in gaging the right ambience for taking shots, I am >>>>>>>> within 5 percent of my earlier success. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I take shots, on the fly, such as in restaurants, from a >>>>>>>> sitting position, just raising one hand, not making any special >>>>>>>> effort, (not choosing to make too much of an exhibition of >>>>>>>> myself) of menus and have splendid success! I always am the one >>>>>>>> to check the post, before my other half, this used to drive him >>>>>>>> mad when I was using Prizmo, because it took quite a while to >>>>>>>> get results, but now, the the KNFB app, I am as quick as him >>>>>>>> putting on his reading glasses! Once the envelope is opened, >>>>>>>> KNFB is faster than he is at reading it for me (and often more >>>>>>>> accurate!!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do agree with Anne, it may well help some of us, who have seen >>>>>>>> before, having an instinctive awareness of the requirements of the >>>>>>>> camera, but this isn't true of everyone, people, here on this list, >>>>>>>> have achieved equal results, having never seen! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finally, for those who just have disappointing results, I wish I could >>>>>>>> give them some one to one tips, but I think it might be necessary to >>>>>>>> be actually present. Because, I reckon there are tricks a methods >>>>>>>> which one can follow and which don't need judgement or too much >>>>>>>> spacial awareness. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my twopence worth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sandy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 Jul 2016, at 08:20, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>>> <<mailto:annefromo...@gmail.com>annefromo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gordon, I have to disagree with you. For several years now, I have >>>>>>>>> had very good results freehand first with Prizmo and now with >>>>>>>>> KNFBReader and I’m totally blind. I think what makes the difference >>>>>>>>> is whether we have good spacial awareness or not. I was able to see >>>>>>>>> perfectly as a young child, and although I’ve seen nothing at all >>>>>>>>> for around 55 years, my visual memory is good. This helps me >>>>>>>>> understand how to use apps with the camera. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2016, at 22:02, Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:razbij...@gmail.com>razbij...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>>> Whatever people are saying, I never believed in ferrytales. Blind >>>>>>>>>> people acurately scanning text documents on the fly is just a >>>>>>>>>> ferrytale to me. >>>>>>>>>> I managed to get some decent results with KNFB Reader and >>>>>>>>>> Textgrabber but those were third or fourth shots in both apps. >>>>>>>>>> Giving hundreed bucks for KNFB Reader just to get some partial >>>>>>>>>> results is too much for me; fortunately, Textgrabber went free and >>>>>>>>>> now has in-app purchases for translations. >>>>>>>>>> Without a decent phone stand such as Fopydo or something else >>>>>>>>>> there's no purpose in acquiring OCR apps and that's my humble >>>>>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S poštovanjem >>>>>>>>>> <mailto://gordan.ra...@gmail.com>Gordan Radić >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nemoviz.org/><nemoviz_animated.gif> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto://i...@nemoviz.org><email.png> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/nemoviz><facebook.p ng> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/nemoviz2014><twitter.png> >>>>>>>>>> 1.7.2016. u 20:43, Grant je napisao/la: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, unfortunately, I couldn’t get Amedia to work reliably. >>>>>>>>>>> Occasionally, when my phone’s camera was pointed at a printed >>>>>>>>>>> page, one or two partial lines of text would be read aloud, >>>>>>>>>>> generally in incomplete form. I sought sighted assistance to make >>>>>>>>>>> sure that I was in fact aligning the camera and the document >>>>>>>>>>> correctly and was told that the image was in fact being displayed >>>>>>>>>>> on the screen. I also tried Amedia and KNFB Reader side by side >>>>>>>>>>> with two documents, again with sighted assistance,and KNFB >>>>>>>>>>> performed OCR correctly whereas Amedia only read a couple lines of >>>>>>>>>>> garbled text. Like you, I have some trouble with KNFB Reader also, >>>>>>>>>>> but in my case I know that’s because I have difficulty aligning >>>>>>>>>>> the camera with the page perfectly. I don’t think there’s any >>>>>>>>>>> question that you’ll get better results with KNFB Reader though. >>>>>>>>>>> For live text recognition, Talking Goggles does a reasonable enough >>>>>>>>>>> job so at least you’ll know what document you’re holding. It >>>>>>>>>>> requires an internet connection to work, but there’s a free, >>>>>>>>>>> ad-supported version. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I accessed my receipt for Amedia Live Reader from the iTunes Store >>>>>>>>>>> and reported that the app wasn’t functioning for me, but I >>>>>>>>>>> wasn’t offered a refund. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday July 1, 2016, at 8:12:38 AM, Joe >>>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>jsoro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, what have people's experience been with Amedia Live >>>>>>>>>>>> Reader? The real-time reading function sounds intriguing, >>>>>>>>>>>> but the price tag gives one pause. I don't mind the >>>>>>>>>>>> investment though if people can show it's an effective app. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an idiot and cannot seem to make the KNFB Reader app >>>>>>>>>>>> work wel for me, and yeah, I fully admit this could just be user >>>>>>>>>>>> error. 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