ITunes doesn't break anything. It doesn't change itself. It's not iTunes.
----- Original Message ----- From: Cher Bosch To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: RE: iTunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Yes! This is especially true when iTunes keeps breaking things on each new incremental update. It seems egotistical and insane for them to suggest that the screen readers should come out with a fix every month or so for what they have arbitrarily broken L Cher From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 4:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess I think this is definitely an Apple Accessibility issue since while the screenreader makers like Jaws/Window Eyes, NVDA etc. also need to do their part, I think there ust is not enough cooperation between Apple and them. It’s like Microsoft and Jaws, if you listened to Jonathan’s recent Podcast where he interviewed this guy from Microsoft who said that Microsoft has done and is doing a bunch of stuff to make things better and they are providing Jaws with the framework to make the experience better. It seems to me that Apple somehow is not doing this with iTunes and this comes down to a basic commitment by Apple to make iTunes as accessible as possible on the Mac with Voiceover and on the PC with Jaws, Window Eyes and NVDA. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 10:38 AM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Sieghard, Do you suggest writing to Apple Accessibility or Apple.com/feedback? Thanks, Keith From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:47 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi Larry and others, There was an iTunes update yesterday, the current version is iTunes Version 12.4.3.1. Unfortunately little seems to be fixed and certainly newer versions of iTunes 12 have taken steps backward with respect to accessibility. If you use the column browser with Genres, Artists and Albums, these list views are not read (at least not by the latest version of Jaws 17). 2 or 3 versions ago it would read them and, for some reason, say “L1” in front of whatever else it said, now it will just say List View. I am going to write to Apple accessibility since while I use iTunes less frequently in connection with my iPhone, I still may want to use it at home on my PC and of course there are some tasks like syncing Ringtones etc. one can only do with iTunes. As Brian Tong from the AppleByte Podcast always says when Apple has dropped the ball on something, I would call this a “bad Apple”. Hopefully others will join me in writing about better iTunes accessibility. There are I think around 2,000 members on this list now and even if only 1 out of 4 took the time to send a message, maybe if Apple Accessibility received 500 messages they’ll understand that this should be addressed. It would certainly be more effective than only 5 messages. And while people are at it, why not make the subject “Accessibility of iTunes and iCloud.com which Apple seems to think are not important to blind users”. I still don’t understand how Apple has done nothing to make the iCloud.com website accessible after so many years. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 7:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: itunes 12.3.4 or whatever it is isa mess Hi. I thought I read that the latest ITunes was relatively fixed so I went and downloaded and installed it. Big mistake. Does anyone know how I can get back the music view which gave genras, then tab to artists and so on. Or play lists at least. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. 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