The truth is that Apple had those improved procedures in place long before NFB ever opened its’ collective mouth. You have no idea of the long term planning that goes into the software life cycle. Being a retired software engineer (Bell Labs) I’m accutely aware of the lead time that goes into software development.
Furthermore, I spoke with several Apple assistive technology reps that assured me LAST AUTUMN that the problems introduced in iOS 8j.0 and iOS 9.0 would not be repeated. So, if anybody really wants to give NFB credit for something that’s been in the works for months - well, be my guest. You’ll not get any convert from this corner!!!! **************** - Bill & Leader Dog Holland - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- > On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > NFB forever! > thank you for all you do for us ... > the ios 10 public beta 6, is very stable and have much less issues than in > previous betas systems. > I'm testing the cycle of ios 10 betas and I can tell you had never before > tested a system as so stable for accessibility. > this is the system that will have less issues when pulls out the official > release. > thanks to the NFB. > yes, it was because of this resolution, that today we have a beta cycle much > more stable for VO. > for those who criticized the NFB for calling the attention of the apple with > this resolution, now can bite the tongue for all the criticism and insults > that you made the NFB. > yes, on the applevis website. > and some here in the group. > you do not deserve what NFB does for you. > CONGRATULATIONS NFB! > long life to NFB! > > cheers. > > Às 14:44 de 25/08/2016, Roger Frischenmeyer escreveu: >> I find it interesting that the resolution is critical of Apple for not >> testing their releases for excess ability and issues around the voiceover >> software, yet no resolution called on any other technology company to even >> work to make their product. Fully accessible. I wonder if there is a little >> pettiness with the national Federation of the blind when it comes to Apple >> and truthfully, it makes me question the credibility of that organization >> when it comes to software and these topics. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Dacia Cole < >> <mailto:dacia.l...@gmail.com>dacia.l...@gmail.com >> <mailto:dacia.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love >>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>> >>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions <https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Dacia >>> >>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain < >>> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I have >>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this is >>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all of >>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone heard. >>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed so >>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>> >>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB >>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate prioritization to >>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass despite >>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. >>>>> >>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant surprise >>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>> >>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who is an >>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>> >>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any merit >>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for NFB and >>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>> >>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where the >>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming grounds >>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the object >>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were >>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then occupy >>>>> that high point. Since it’s obvious to me that neither NFB nor the author >>>>> of that article would ever possibly occupy the “high ground” on this >>>>> particular snow bank, I have to wonder just who is fostering all this >>>>> “Apple bashing?” Makes me wonder! >>>>> **************** >>>>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland >>>>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be pretty >>>>> sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." >>>>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>> chaltain at Gmail >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>>> or >>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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