The context in which this whole discussion came up had to do with the much 
discussed removal of the Jack by Apple, and one of the reasons given for it 
having been the improvement in waterproof rating. It was pointed out that 
Samsung achieved an even better rating and still has the Jack. Again, I do not 
want to reopen that deal. Just pointing out why it was discussed in the first 
place.
Mary


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> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Well, koodos to Samsung if they achieved this. The first number (the 6) 
> refers to particles/dust and 6 is the highest with any device that has it 
> being absolutely dust proof. This means I don't have to worry having my 
> iPhone on my work bench in the woodworking shop and sanding right next to it, 
> just have to wipe it off or, if I had an iPhone 7 which I don't, I could just 
> hold it under the tap for a few seconds *smile*.
>  
> The second number refers to liquids and 8 is obviously higher than 7, but 
> here is a definition and I would still need to look up what Samsungs said 
> their phone can withstand:
>  
> IPX-7: Protected against water immersion - Immersion for 30 minutes at a 
> depth of 1 meter.
> IPX-8: Protected against water submersion - The equipment is suitable for 
> continual submersion in water under conditions which are identified by the 
> manufacturer.
>  
> This would be like the Apple Watch which Apple said has been tested in a 
> simulator for days on end and also to withstand pressure at depth of up to 50 
> metres.
> Those of us who scuba dive know that 50 metres is darn deep (you never go 
> there in recreational diving even with an advanced open water certification, 
> and the pressure at that depth is considerable.
> But since it means it is up to the manufacturer's test it could simply mean 
> they left the Samsung under 1 meter of water for 45 minutes instead of 30 
> minutes or whatever. I think in real life the difference might be academic 
> since typically you wouldn't have your phone on you when you swim for an hour 
> or stuff like that and for accidental submersion the IPX-7 rating is very 
> good also.
>  
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s 
> headphone jack
>  
> Hi Sieghard, 
> I did not research this for myself, but was told on another list where this 
> topic came up for discussion that the Samsung S7 galaxy has the waterproof 
> rating of 68, as opposed to the 67 that the new iPhones have.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> What IPX rating does the Samsung phone have or is it waterproof by virtue of 
> it bursting into flames so that any water may get burned off *smile*.
> Short of making the iPhone 7/7 Plus swim proof and giving it the same rating 
> as the Apple Watch, IPX7 is as far as I can tell from Googling these 
> standards the best there is, the test requires a device with IPX7 rating to 
> survive being submersed in 3 feet of water for half an hour.
> This is the same rating and standard Garmin builts into all their handheld 
> outdoor GPS units.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; macvisionar...@freelists.org
> Subject: iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s 
> headphone jack
>  
> So they have this new taptic engine, and some plastic piece. Now why did they 
> have to take the headphone jack out if Samsung did not in order to make their 
> galaxy even more waterproof them apple's device? That is a reasonable 
> question I think. I am not arguing for the return of the headphone jack. But 
> it would seem that it is not as simple as Apple would have  us think. 
> Further, let us hope that this new engine stays around long enough to 
> actually prove useful as opposed to the traditional home button. Rumors are 
> already flying about how even the button that remains this year, which is 
> attached so to speak to the new taptic engine, is going away next year.
> Mary
> iFixit teardown reveals exactly what replaced the iPhone 7’s headphone jack
> 9to5Mac  /  Chance Miller
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As it does every year, device repair site iFixit is putting all of Apple’s 
> new devices through the teardown process. This year, the site is tearing down 
> the iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, and Apple Watch 2. As usual, Apple leaves some 
> details regarding the internals of its new devices a secret, but iFixit is 
> able to figure out some of those secrets with its teardowns…
> 
> In its iPhone 7 Plus teardown, iFixit notes of the similar teardown process 
> to previous iPhone models. The classic Pentalobe screens are still there, 
> while there are still two now-familiar screws guard each side of the 
> Lightning connector. One interesting tidbit is that the iPhone 7 Plus opens 
> to the side when you remove the display, as seen below. This change, iFixit 
> notes, is likely related to the new water resistance feature.
> 
> Regarding the headphone jack removal, the Taptic Engine is taking up the 
> majority of the space where the connectivity was housed, but interestingly 
> there’s a simple plastic bumper where the actual cutout used to be. This 
> suggests that, while the Taptic Engine was part of the reason for Apple to 
> remove the headphone jack, the ability to make the iPhone water resistant was 
> likely equally important.
> 
> As far as the battery goes, the iPhone 7 Plus features a slightly larger 
> battery than its predecessor. The iPhone 6 Plus featured a 2750mAh battery, 
> while this year’s model features a 2915mAh battery.
> 
> For the Apple Watch, iFixit has just started its teardown so there’s not much 
> to see yet. iFixit has also not yet started its teardown
> 
> We’ll continue to update this post as the teardown process progresses. In the 
> meantime, check out a few images from the process below.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Apple's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus were announced on 7th September 2016
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