Hi Mary, that second bug, it doesn't matter if you have thread view on or not, voice over will still die after sending, regardless.
Sent from a Braille Sense ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:42 pm Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? > > > Hi Kathy, > I certainly have said something about it, more than once, sigh. I have also > reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or > fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it > applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. > I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including > sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't > have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it > on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails > which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really > tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data > presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, > frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather > than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where > VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off > and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in > iOS 10.. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just > lucky. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that > > you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to > > me. I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here. > > > > > > > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > >> > >> Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS > >> 9 and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download > >> file than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone > >> versions. One website where these are usually available is > >> http://ipswdownloader.com/ > >> Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension > >> from .zip to .ipsw > >> Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your > >> device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with > >> Shift+Enter. > >> A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder > >> where your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open". > >> Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade". > >> Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly > >> short time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may > >> still work middle or late next week, but nobody knows. > >> Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone > >> the inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few > >> challenges which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when > >> you may need a new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 > >> where things maybe even more different. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sieghard > >> > >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >> Of Terri Stimmel > >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM > >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com > >> Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? > >> > >> Hello everybody, > >> > >> I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I > >> had? > >> I didn't even know this was possible. > >> > >> Is it difficult to do? Thank you, > >> > >> Terri > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone > >> <viph...@googlegroups..com> wrote: > >> > >> I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hello everybody, > >> > >> I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer > >> for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, > >> which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, > >> which are used regularly. > >> I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my > >> laptop, using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the > >> message. However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If > >> I write a message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my > >> phone, it says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit > >> confused, because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not. > >> > >> Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my > >> iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would > >> that happen? Is there a way to fix that? > >> I don't want to lose any of the messages though. > >> > >> Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think > >> I like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it. > >> Thank you, > >> > >> rTei > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > >> list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > >> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "VIPhone" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > >> list. > >> > >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >> > >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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I have also > reported it along with sending examples to Apple. Unfortunately, or > fortunately, if you are one of the lucky people, this bug at least as it > applies to mail, does not seem to be affecting everyone who uses voice over. > I have no idea why. I did some chatting off list with another user including > sending him examples, and going through settings and comparing. He doesn't > have a problem. I do. I have it on more than one device. He does not have it > on his devices. It is especially bad in mail, where I get plenty of emails > which are laid out as though they were tables. Course they're not really > tables, not in the sense that you need to know row and column for data > presentation. It's all for show and lay out. And reading those emails is, > frankly painful. I can only hope that Apple will eventually sooner rather > than later, fix this. I hope it isn't like the thread send mail bug, where > VoiceOver goes away and your remedy is to either wait it out, or turn it off > and on when this happens. That was present through all of iOS 9 and still in > iOS 10. Of course, not everybody has that one either. Some of us are just > lucky. > Mary > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:52 AM, Kathy Brandt <katya20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I sure hope that they fix how elements are red in Safari and messages, that > you would be able to turn off all the verbiage; it is really annoying to me. > I'm surprised no one has said anything about this here. > > > > > On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > > Difficult is relative. You need to find the correct download file for iOS 9 > and your particular device. An iPhone will have a different download file > than an iPad and there are even different files for different phone versions. > One website where these are usually available is http://ipswdownloader.com/ > Once you have downloaded the file you may have to change the extension from > .zip to .ipsw > Once that is done you have to connect your device to iTunes, go to your > device area and after tabbing to the "Update" button activate it with > Shift+Enter. > A standard Windows open file dialogue will appear, browse to the folder where > your IPSW file is saved, select it and press "Open". > Your phone will then "upgrade" or in this case "downgrade". > Keep in mind that Apple only signs previous iOS versions for a fairly short > time so you probably have to do this in the next few days, it may still work > middle or late next week, but nobody knows. > Besides all that I recommend against downgrading since you only postpone the > inevitable. It is better to learn the new OS and deal with the few challenges > which may exist than to go back and then in a year or two when you may need a > new device you get kicked from iOS 9 to iOS 11 or iOS 12 where things maybe > even more different. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Terri Stimmel > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:27 AM > To: viph...@googlegroups..com > Subject: Re: How do I go back to my previous version? > > Hello everybody, > > I was wondering, how do I go back to the previous version of nine that I had? > I didn't even know this was possible. > > Is it difficult to do? Thank you, > > Terri > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:20 AM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > I went back to iOS9. I did not like the new iOS much.. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > I was just wondering something. I don't know if anyone will have an answer > for me. I have two accounts set up on my phone. One is my Gmail account, > which I don't use as much anymore. The other one is my Outlook account, which > are used regularly. > I've noticed that if I write a message from my Gmail account, from my laptop, > using the web, it shows up on my phone that I have replied to the message. > However, it does it do the same thing with my Outlook account. If I write a > message on my laptop, using Thunderbird, when I look back at my phone, it > says though I never replied to the message. This gives me a bit confused, > because then I'm not sure if I replied to somebody or not. > > Then yesterday, someone told me that when I replied to a message using my > iPhone, they got all of the messages we ever wrote.Why in the world would > that happen? Is there a way to fix that? > I don't want to lose any of the messages though. > > Any help, or thoughts, would be very much appreciated. I still don't think I > like this new Mail app. But I'm trying to except it. > Thank you, > > rTei > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - > you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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