I sent Apple a bug report on this topic last week, but never heard back from Apple.
Donna > > Please, everyone duplicating these issues, write to accessibil...@apple.com > They need to hear from everyone. > > Richard > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Flor Lynch > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:59 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > > I’ve had similar experiences when trying to correct a search term I typed > when in the App Store. > > From: englishride...@gmail.com > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:34 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > Having just read through all the messages in this thread, I went to AppleVis > and performed the exact same steps as Richard, and holy crap! That's > absolutely awful! I think the accessibility people were trying to be helpful, > but this is really not helpful. Once I understood the differences between how > Windows and Mac/iOS handled cursor movement, I was set. I don't need to know > where the cursor is--not through VO explisitly telling me in the manner it is > in iOS 10, anyway. What I need VO to tell me is the letter just moved passed, > like it always has done before this update. > > > Weanks, > Ari > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Exactly what happens when I try it. I’d really like to be in the same room as > that Apple Accessibility clown who says he can’t reproduce it. Maybe he > forgot to turn on Voiceover! > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: Apple <accessibil...@apple.com> > Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > > > Trying to move by character from the start is even worse. It does the same > overly verbose "character mode insertion point between h and a in second > position attachment." Then, it just bongs. It won't move after that. > Richard > > “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others." > - Satsuki Shibuya > > > (Sent from my iPod 6) > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > Exactly my experience as far as the "attachment" is concerned. Have you tried > it going forward from the beginning, i.e. when you are in the edit field > double tap to move the insertion point to the beginning and then swipe down > to go forward. > > I also remember that in some emails (haven't noticed it lately) Voiceover > would sometimes read a character about 4 or 5 spaces in from the beginning of > the line as "attachment". Like I said, I noticed that during the original iOS > 10 beta cycle, have to test it again now to see if it's still there. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >Of Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 2:10 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Cc: accessibil...@apple.com > Subject: RE: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > > Greetings, > I am copying Apple Accessibility and the VIPhone list on this reply. > Following the steps described in the response below from Apple Accessibility: > 1. I went to applevis.com and double tapped in the search this site field. > 2. I entered Ham Radio > 3. I put focus outside of the edit field so the on screen keyboard went away. > 4. I double tapped on the edit field again, which brought back the onscreen > keyboard and VoiceOver said "incertion point at end.". > 5. I turned the rotor to character and flicked up and heard "ham radio, > character mode, incertion point between I and o in the 9th position, > attachment." > > Before iOS 10, I would simply hear the characters as I flicked. > This is completely too verbose for words. > Yes, I did eventually hear the characters, but not the way any sane person > would want to hear them. > And, why on Earth is it saying "attachment?" > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > >From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > >Of Mary Otten > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:53 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > > Well here is one thing I don't understand. Why would you exit out of the > on-screen keyboard if you wanted to go back and review what you typed in the > search field and possibly make a correction? What's that about? Maybe this > person doesn't understand why we would actually use this feature? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Hi again List, > > Here is the reply I received regarding the issue that seems to exist with > reviewing text entered into search fields on the web. Once again the person > who apparently dealt with my message said he or she is unable to reproduce > the problem. I did not yet try this on the Applevis website, but maybe others > can reply back to them as well giving examples from websites where they have > encountered this. Here is the reply: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Apple Accessibility [mailto:accessibil...@apple.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:09 AM > To: siegh...@live.ca > Subject: Re: Bug report for moving insertion point/reviewing text typed into > a search field in Safari; Follow-up: 651196357 > > Hello, > Thank you for your email. So far I am unable to reproduce this. I went to > Applevis.com and select the search field there. > I then typed in a search term. I then exited out of the on screen keyboard > and double tapped so I was in the search field. > I then used the rotor to select characters and flicked up and down. VO called > out the characters going forwards and backwards. > Can you provide the exact steps you are using to cause this issue? > > Apple Accessibility > > For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit: > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ > https://support.apple.com/accessibility > > > On October 26, 2016 at 18:12:52 PM GMT, siegh...@live.ca wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an iPhone 6S Plus and recently updated to iOS 10.1. I wanted to make > you aware of a bug which prevents me from fully navigating/reviewing text I > type into a search field on any website in Safari. If I type in a search term > and double tap in the search field to move the insertion point to the > beginning and then try to move character by character to review what I typed > Voiceover repeats the entire search term and then tells me the insertion > point is between the first and second position and I am not able to move it > from there. > If I double tap again the insertion point moves to the end and I can flick > backwards to what I typed, but Voiceover does not read each letter as it > should, it tells me insertion point between, for example, 10th and 11th > position between "l" and "l". 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