Hi victor, Have you ever seen to bulls out in a pastor. Every spring they butt heads together until their heads get bloody to prove who is the tuffus bull. Now do you understand? Of course I know neither one of them could break out of a wet paper bag. LOL Mr. Ed
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 3:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg I don't understand how this devolved into an argument over which is better, iPhone, or Android. The fact is, each has benefits above and beyond the other, and there is no clear winner. Just like if you come across a blind Android user, they'll say that the Android is more accessible, and the iPhone user will state the opposite. I simply pointed out that Mary could not make such a blanket statement with providing a factual basis for her statement. I outlined what was wrong with her statement, and I've moved on from there. I've no idea how we've gotten into this devolved argument again. I've noticed that this argument comes across every few months and I don't understand why. Every one has read the benefits of each OS, and it's all subjective, in the end. Victor -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone - Bloomberg This is just my opinion, but I've used both Apple and Android, and I find Android to be the better platform. I appreciate it's openness and customizability. I like the widget support it's had for years. I like the variety in form factors. Android does have trouble with fragmentation though, but I'm willing to put up with this for the benefits I perceive. Apple is a great product and a great ecosystem. I used it for years before I thought Android accessibility had caught up enough to make the jump possible. I still use an iPhone for work. I think either platform is great depending on what you're looking for and how you use your phone. I think choice is good, and I don't think people need to get defensive when talking about the brand they chose to use or put down the other options. I for one hope both platforms get better and more accessible. On 22/03/17 20:56, John Panarese wrote: > Actually, she’s right. Apple, by far, makes the greatest profits > over any other cell phone maker. It’s not even close. This information > can be found all over the place. > > As for your opinion on Android, it’s also completely off. iOS is a > much better and more intelligent platform than Android. I’ve used > Android and it was not impressive at all. And this was on a Google > device with a straight forward version of Android. > > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > >> On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Pablo Cesar Morales >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Sorry, tbut it is not what I see in the industry. Apple makes a lot >> of money with another products. Apple is not just making iPhones. So >> we should use the same rule that you used with Samsung. >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] >> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:16 PM >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >> >> >> Victor, every few months their articles coming out telling how much >> of the phone market which company has in terms of profits. Year after >> year, Apple makes the vast majority of profits in the phone market. >> You might not like it. But it's true. There's a whole lot of the >> technical press that is all over articles every time some company >> gains a little bit of marketshare. Waymore phones have android on >> them then there are iPhones. And that makes exactly no difference, >> because the vast majority of the actual money being made is being >> made by Apple on phones, not any of the other companies. Samsung >> makes a bunch of money. They make some profit on phones. They also >> make a ton of money in other industries. All those cheap phones that >> all those folks are making our nonprofit producers. Again, you might >> not like it. It might not be "fair". But that's how it is. >> >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Victor Gouveia >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> Mary, you can’t make blanket statements without looking it up first. >>> >>> One cannot say that Apple is making most of the money in this >>> industry because Apple is only one company, whereas there are at >>> least seven or eight companies manufacturing cell phones that are >>> not Apple. To say that Apple was making most of the money in this >>> industry is like saying that Coke is making most of the money in the >>> pop industry when there are so many other drinks available like >>> juices, soft drinks, milk, coffee, or tea. >>> >>> Now if you were to say that Apple was making most of the money >>> compared to Samsung or even Sony would be more appropriate, but even >>> then your statement would be wrong as these two companies alone make >>> thousands of products Apple does not, so please, check your facts >>> before your tout them as facts. >>> >>> Victor >>> >>> *From:* Mary Otten >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:58 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >>> >>> >>> Well, apparently not too many people are moving away. Apple is >>> making most of the money in this industry. There are many people who >>> make android devices. Most of them make no profit. Companies don't >>> stay in business forever if they don't make a profit. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Victor Gouveia >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sieghard, while I can appreciate your issue regarding OS >>>> reliability and phone integrity, the fact is people are moving away >>>> from Apple devices for just that reason. With the added advances >>>> in the camera, both front and rear, pictures will get larger, and I >>>> don’t even think there are phones available higher than the five >>>> that have 16 gig memory, and even those devices are pushing it. >>>> When they introduced the enhanced camera in the iPhone six, they >>>> realized that sixteen gigs just wouldn’t do if people wanted to >>>> take pictures, I mean, I’m still amazed that they’re still offering >>>> the >>>> 32 gig devices, especially in the iPad, but again, this is just the >>>> smaller issue. How many phones out there are getting more and more >>>> waterproof and dust proof, and they don’t seem to have a problem >>>> with an SD card slot, in addition, the OS security could be plugged >>>> to avoid that sort of thing. Fact is, I think that Apple is >>>> guarding it’s closed platform so people are forced to get their >>>> content from iTunes and App store. Open up the file system and >>>> you’re looking at an easier way to jailbreak, and Apple couldn’t >>>> have that Regardless, I do think that Apple should open their eyes >>>> when it comes to expansion, if only to make it easier to connect to >>>> a portable solution, lest they get left out in the cold when the >>>> Android devices that allow for expansion come rumbling in. Just a >>>> thought. >>>> >>>> Victor >>>> >>>> *From:* Sieghard Weitzel >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:47 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >>>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >>>> >>>> Hi Victor, >>>> >>>> I am not sure if Apple could keep their walled garden concept and >>>> offer SD card expansion slots. If you allow people to introduce >>>> media on an SD card then the OS must have access to the folders or >>>> maybe it would be more accurate to say that Apple would have to >>>> give users access to what is on the SD card and that would possibly >>>> defeat the purpose of the closed nature of the platform. Any SD >>>> card, even the newest and fastest, would also introduce a lot of >>>> latency in how fast things get loaded and I think this all goes >>>> against what Apple wants to achieve. I think actually that even >>>> some high-end Android phones are moving away from that, but I might >>>> be wrong, just something I heard. Does the Google Pixel for example >>>> have an SD card slot? Lastly, having such an expansion slot on an >>>> iPad is one thing because there is probably plenty of space, but >>>> having it on an iPhone is most likely not very practical as there >>>> hardly is any space left as is and of course making a highly >>>> waterproof or water resistant device would probably be much more >>>> difficult if the device had an SD card slot Personally I have no >>>> problem with Apple offering internal memory, I totally agree that >>>> nowadays 16 Gb doesn’t get you far, but I wonder how many people >>>> still buy 16 Gb devices if they can get a 64 Gb device (4 times the >>>> space) for $100 more. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Victor Gouveia >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 7:56 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >>>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >>>> >>>> I don’t agree. Granted, the 300 dollar price tag is nice, but not >>>> with the memory it’s offering. >>>> >>>> I think the 32 and 16 models of any device is outdated, unless it’s >>>> got an expansion slot for an SD card. >>>> >>>> Frankly, I’m completely surprised that Apple hasn’t embraced this >>>> concept, since it would enable them to lower the amount of ROM >>>> memory on the device, and allow people to expand according to their >>>> budget. Alas, it would seem that Apple is destined not to ever get >>>> the message. >>>> >>>> Victor >>>> >>>> *From:* Mr. Ed >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:40 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* RE: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >>>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >>>> >>>> Hi Mary, >>>> I would think if you could get a new iPad for $329 that would be a >>>> big deal. >>>> Mr. Ed >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:24 PM >>>> *To:* mailto:[email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition >>>> Red iPhone - Bloomberg >>>> >>>> >>>> These are not big deal upgrades. If they actually introduce a >>>> substantial a new iPad Pro, I would suppose they would do so with a >>>> bit more fanfare. But these upgrades are no big deal. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 21, 2017, at 6:48 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And it’s not even April 1 yet. Is this actually for real? I just >>>>> heard on the Apple Byte Podcast that Digitimes said there would be >>>>> an event in April where a new 10.5 inch iPad Pro would be >>>>> introduced, hard to believe they would just do this without much >>>>> fanfare, if I remember correctly they did a bit more last yer >>>>> around the iPhone SE.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Marissa Solaun >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:37 PM >>>>> *To:* mailto:[email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red >>>>> iPhone - Bloomberg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> May be of interest to those seeking a red iPhone 7/7+ >>>>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/apple-introduce >>>>> s-cheapest-ipad-yet-special-edition-red-iphone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Apple Introduces Cheapest iPad Yet, Special Edition Red iPhone >>>>> >>>>> More stories by Alex Webb >>>>> <https://wwwbloomberg.com/authors/AQjTH3FjSCY/alex-webb> >>>>> >>>>> Apple Inc. <https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AAPL:US> introduced a >>>>> revamped version of its most popular-sized iPad at the cheapest >>>>> price yet, and a shiny red iPhone 7, whose sales will help to >>>>> combat AIDS. >>>>> >>>>> Apple unveiled a new 9.7-inch iPad with a brighter Retina display >>>>> starting at $329, and a special edition red-aluminum finish iPhone >>>>> 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, part of the company’s decade-long partnership >>>>> with (RED), which contributes to the Global Fund to fight HIV and >>>>> AIDS. >>>>> >>>>> “Since we began working with (RED) 10 years ago, our customers >>>>> have made a significant impact in fighting the spread of AIDS >>>>> through the purchase of our products, from the original iPod nano >>>>> (PRODUCT)RED Special Edition all the way to today’s lineup of >>>>> Beats products and accessories for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch,” >>>>> Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook said in a statement >>>>> <wlmailhtml://news/terminal/ON6020MEQTXJ> Tuesday. >>>>> >>>>> Apple is the world’s largest corporate donor to the Global Fund, >>>>> contributing more than $130 million, the company said. >>>>> >>>>> Apple is expected to reveal a significant upgrade to the iPhone >>>>> later this year. >>>>> Cupertino, California-based Apple last year unveiled a new iPhone >>>>> which reignited sales growth in the Christmas quarter after a year >>>>> of declines. Those falling sales came even as Apple introduced a >>>>> cheaper handset in March in an effort to spur growth in emerging >>>>> markets. The only sales growth in the 2016 fiscal year came from >>>>> the services business, which includes Apple Music and the App >>>>> Store, and the other products category. >>>>> >>>>> Apple shares rose less than one percent to $142.55 at 10:24 a.m. >>>>> in New York. Earlier they hit a new intraday high of $142.80. >>>>> >>>>> The new iPad starts at $329 for 32GB with Wi-Fi and $459 for 32GB >>>>> Wi-Fi plus cellular. It will be available to order starting March >>>>> 24 in the U.S. and more than 20 other countries and regions. The >>>>> iPhone (RED) models will be available in 128GB and 256GB models >>>>> starting at $749 from March 24. Apple also announced new storage >>>>> capacity for the iPhone SE. That 4-inch display model will now be >>>>> available in 32GB and 128GB models, doubling the current capacity >>>>> and replacing the previous models. >>>>> >>>>> Other product launches Tuesday include a new app called Clips >>>>> <http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2017/03/21Apple-Introduces-Clips- >>>>> The-Fun-New-Way-to-Create-Expressive-Videos-on-iOS.html>, >>>>> that helps people combine video clips, photos and music that can >>>>> be shared through social media and messages. 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