Fair enough, I also do a lot on my iPhone although I don't use it as my primary 
device for things like email or web browsing. I can do these things just so 
much more efficiently on my PC with Jaws and since my work requires me to use 
the computer pretty much all day or at least to have it right there the iPhone 
for me is a phone and an audio book player and when I'm out and about or just 
want to quickly read an email it does that. It also is quick and easy for me to 
use my iPhone if I just want to check an account balance, but if I have to pay 
several bills or do transfers I again go to the computer since often these are 
business related transactions and I have to print a confirmation for whatever I 
am doing and printing to PDF is just so much easier and faster in Windows.
Of course I use apps like Seeing AI and KNFB Reader and have a number of 
connected devices like thermostat, lights, my ring doorbell and so on where the 
iPhone is awesome, but except for when I actually broke one no iPhone ever 
since my 4 in 2010 has ever failed me where it quit working and I needed an 
immediate replacement so that is just not a worry for me. I guess if I did 
catastrophic damage to it or lost it as I did with my iPhone 6S initially 
that's a different story, but then it's not like I can't get a replacement in a 
couple of days in such a situation.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Curious question about iPhone upgrade life

Hi Sieghard,
It is a very reasonable question. I suppose I started having two devices 
because I bought the iPad mini two back when I had an iPhone, I forget which 
one, who's battery life was Les by a good bit then that on my current 7+. Are 
use the phone an amazing amount, mostly because my old PC is pretty much 
useless except for those few tasks, like railing things I need to have, for 
which I keep it around. And I have been disappointed with the performance of 
the Mac, with entirely too much Safari busy for this busy or that busy. I'm 
hoping that the new operating system do out next week will finally bring 
improvement. I also used the iPad mini for occasional note taking in meetings. 
Now the iPhone 7 Plus does have a much better battery life. The other thing I 
found that I really like about having two devices is that if your iPhone goes 
out, which mine has, not this one but a previous one, you're not dead in the 
water in terms of accessing all the stuff in the ecosystem. I certainly do not 
see any need to upgrade to an 8+ from my 7+, although it is entirely likely 
that if by next year they're still selling the 8+, and the new models don't 
have a home button, I will probably get the 8+ because of the home button. And 
if a new iPod touch were to come out or even an SE that had a reasonable price, 
like the current ones, but with updated technology, I would be happy to have 
that, which could be used as a back up phone if my main one ever went down and 
also serve all of the purposes of an iPod touch. I do so many things on the eye 
device, that I just don't want to be stuck with just one and have it go out. I 
have played around with android devices over the last couple of years in the 
hopes that maybe they would fill many of my needs. You can get android phones a 
whole lot cheaper then you can get iPhones. But alas, that hasn't worked out to 
my satisfaction.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> What is your reasoning for having two devices? Don't get me wrong, everybody 
> can buy as many as they want, but when I had my old 5S around after I bought 
> my 6S Plus I thought I'd use it at home like an iPod Touch, but the fact was 
> that I never did because I find it just so much more convenient to have just 
> one device. I can understand why some people might like an iPad, but I never 
> got it why people have an iPhone and an iPod Touch or would want to have two 
> iPhones.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 5:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Curious question about iPhone upgrade life
> 
> Considering that they did a little bit of a refresh to the iPhone SE earlier 
> this year, although not to the chip or anything like that, my guess is that 
> they're going to come out with at least one more model of the se. That's what 
> I hope anyway. you know, if they don't come out with another iPod touch, I 
> would be awfully tempted to purchase an seas a second device, because my iPad 
> mini 2 it's just getting really too slow, and I am not going to pay the big 
> bucks for a big iPad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Vicky Collins <v-coll...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I just checked the Apple Store app here in the United States, and they are 
>> still selling the iPhone SE, at least for now, anyway..  Looks like the 32GB 
>> is $349.00, while the 128GB costs $449.00.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
>> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com" <viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: 
>> Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:03:19 +0000
>> Subject: RE: Curious question about iPhone upgrade life
>> 
>> Don't take this for granted, for one thing I would call it more like 4 
>> years, I guess by the time iOS 12 comes out the 5S is 5 years old, but if 
>> iOS 11 is the last update it gets then it's really supported for 4 years.  
>> Anyways, my guess in the case of the SE it's maybe more based on the 
>> technology that is in the phone which is I believe a mix between 6 and 6S 
>> technology.  Bot th eSE and 6S/6S Plus have the A9 chip, but the SE for 
>> example does not have 3D Touch nor does it have the second generation Touch 
>> Id sensor.  If Apple continues to built on 3D Touch then maybe there could 
>> be a time when the 6S is still supported and the SE maybe is not.
>> Right now I definitely would discourage everybody from buying an iPhone SE 
>> unless that is all they could afford since if I remember correctly it is no 
>> longer officially in the line up of phones Apple will sell.  This of course 
>> means they may release an updated SE in the spring again which then probably 
>> would have second generation Touch Id and probably the A10 chip since they 
>> are not going to put the A11 Bionic chip in a phone they designed to be a 
>> price-point phone.
>> As a last comment I would also say that as hardware and software mature 
>> Apple may offer new iOS versions on even older phones although I think this 
>> may not be as much a concern because I doubt that many people who have an 
>> iPhone 5 now will hold to it for much longer.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Gordon
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 12:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Curious question about iPhone upgrade life
>> 
>> So I know that the iPhone is supported for five years when it comes to 
>> software updates.  So how does that work with phones like the SE that was 
>> announced in 2016 but had an overhaul and upgrades in 2017.  Will those 
>> latest phones be supported for a new five years or does the five years begin 
>> when the first model comes out?
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