I absolutely agree, Sieghard. There is no consistency in whether or not the roter changes from delete to activate which means a lot of extra swiping to check the setting before tapping. I have already inadvertently deleted several messages because I anticipated one action and got another.
I'll be emailing apple as well. On 9/26/17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi List, > > This has been dsicussed already and I believe Applevis has actually flagged > this as a bug in iOS 11. If you are in the mail app and flick down to change > the rotor to delete and then double tap to delete the message you are on, > the rotor used to reset itself to "Activate" so that when the next mail > gained focus and you double tapped it would open the message. In iOS 11 the > rotor mostly stays on delete and another doublke tap will also delete the > next message. In good old Apple fashion this is one example where there is > no consistency, some have apparently figured out when it stays on delete and > when it goes back to activate, I have not and I find it annoying and > consider it a bug. I sent the below message to Apple Accessibility and > unfortunately I was informed that this is not a bug but it is "changed" > behaviour. Here my email exchange, I urge as many people as possible toc > omplain to Apple about this since I don't recall having heard a single > person say they liked how this is behaving. First, my initial message to > Apple Accessibility: > > Hello, > In the mail app when I am in my Inbox I used to be able to delete emails > using the delete option on the rotor: I would flick to delete and double > tap, afterwards if I double tap on the next email the "Activate" option > which is and should be the default has gained focus and my next email would > open. > In iOS 11 I can delete a message in the described way, but often the rotor > remains on the delete option and if I'm not careful and simply do another > double > tap I also delete the next message where in fact I was expecting it to > open. > > Regards, > Sieghard' > > Here is Apple's response, according to this the new behaviour is not a bug > but what it should be: > > Hello, > Thank you for your email. The behavior of the rotor in mail has been > changed. Now when you select an action, such as delete, you then double tap > to delete the email. If you double tap again, then the next email in focus > will also be deleted. > The delete action will stay active until swipe up or down to change Actions > rotor functions, or twist to select a different rotor item, at which point > it will revert to "Activate" . > > Apple Accessibility > > Here is my reply to the above: > > Hello, > Well, you should maybe reassess this change, first of all it is not > consistent since sometimes (I have not figured out a pattern) the rotor does > reset itself to "activate" and secondly I have not heard one single comment > on the Viphone and other lists where Voiceover users appreciated this new > behaviour. Furthermore, if this is the new behaviour in mail, then why have > you removed this behaviour from the app switcher? In iOS 10 once the rotor > was set to close in the app switcher it was possible to keep double tapping > on apps to close them, now each time after you close one the rotor goes back > to activate and if I want to close apps using the rotor instead of a > 3-finger swipe up for each app I have to flick it to close for each new > app. > Also, in the Messages app, broken as deleting messages is right now with the > rotor, it also does not stay on delete after you delete a message and I > think to 98% of Voiceover users it makes no sense in the mail app. I will > post your reply on the Viphone list so hopefully many other Voiceover users > let you know that what I am saying is how most of us feel so hopefully Apple > will bring back the old behaviour especially since the new behaviour is not > consistent. Right now even if I want to delete multiple messages I have to > flick the rotor back and forth each time to see if it still is on delete > because otherwise some of the time when it should be on delete it opens the > message or thread instead, as I said, it makes no sense and I'd really like > to know who decided that it does. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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