Frankly I am rather tired of the Apple bashing that appears to be fashionable among some members.
Not all that long ago you had to spend around £150 to add Talks to make a Nokia device accessible. If you changed your phone another £50 transfer cost was required to transfer Talks to your new device. An Apple phone costs us no more or less than slighted people you cannot say that about many products! Take Windows alone, access software costs as much or more than the machine itself but who complains? Yet I would say that VoiceOver gives us more access to iOS features than does any Windows screen reader. Can you compare Narrator with VoiceOver both are screen readers hilt into the operating system but they are light years apart. If your PC was like an Apple device there would be no need for JAWS or NVDA. I have an iPhone5S here and it runs iOS11.2 perfectly well. How many computers of that age can run Windows10? You may argue that an iPhone is slower with the latest version of the operating system but is this not true with any device no matter what the platform is. Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Dec 2017, at 00:17, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > I think the point the original poster was making is that Apple started main > stream accessibility when they made Voiceover part of iOS with the iPhone 3GS > in 2009. This was only 2 years after the iPhone was first released and while > I am sure Apple did this partly to maybe have more chances for getting > government contracts where accessibility needed to be available, it still > took a bit of vision to do such a deep integration both in iOS and MAC OS and > of course now in TVOS and Watch OS. > The fact is that Google/Android and now Microsoft are all playing catch up as > they follow the example Apple set. Before 2009 accessibility as a right was > not a term you hear, now you do. > I know Pablo that you think Android is so much better and all that and I'm > sure it's a pretty good experience by now, but I bought an iPod Touch third > generation in 2009 and remember in those initial years (2009, 2010, 2011 and > so on) when I was also listening to Podcasts and demos of Android > accessibility and back then it was a joke compare dto iOS. > Prior to 2009 you had to spend about as much as a subsidised iPhone costs now > to get something like MobileSpeak if you wanted an accessibile smartphone of > some sort and of course if you count the cost of what MobileGeo used to cost > let alone KNFB Reader for Symbian what we can get now even if you do buy a > $1,000 iPhone at full price is pretty amazing. I paid that much for > MobileSpeak and MobileGeo alone and my Microsoft Mobile 6.1 smartphone at the > time could do a lot less than what my iPhone can do now. > KNFB Reader when it was first available for a few Nokia phones I think was > $1,500. > Of course now with Seeing AI which is completely free my KNFB Reader rarely > gets used any more since for what I do which mostly is just reading a single > page or envelope the short text function in the Seeingt AI app usually does > the job. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Pablo Morales > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:27 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time > > But Apple is not the only one who have created accessibility. All these apps > that you are mentioning exist for android, and they are cheaper than in IOs. > KNFB reader is just $20 for android. Maybe you need to try and see. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > GARY WILLIAMS > Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 12:31 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown Controversy | Time > > I don’t either, I’m just thankful for the accessible technology they have > provided for us. The iphone has opened up so many opportunities because of > apps such as Digit Eyes, Seeing ai, Be My Eyes and Knfb Reader, just to > mention a few. Going to the grocery store has certainly changed for the > better for us. It would be really hard if we didn’t have these apps. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 30, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt <malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> wrote: >> >> For what it’s worth I think this is all a case of a storm in a teacup. >> >> To put the balance straight it is worth remembering that Apple has probably >> done more than any other company for us. >> >> I do not accept that there is a conspiracy on Apple’s part. >> >> Happy new year to you all. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 11:30, Pablo Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Their problem is not how much money they will need to pay if they win or >>> lose those sues. It is not a money fact. >>> It is a trust fact. This attitude from Apple has shown a lot of >>> disloyalty to their customers. They should not hide this things. They >>> had a lot of opportunities to share this issues but they rather to >>> hide it. Here is where the theory that Apple was trying to sell more >>> new phones earns more strength >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 9:25 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown >>> Controversy | Time >>> >>> So there are a few class action suits in progress, Apple will either defeat >>> them or settle them, they have so much money that it is not going to cause >>> Tim Cook to loose sleep over it. Going forward they hopefully learned >>> something, the new battery status app or settings area or whatever it will >>> be shows they can provide the information to the device user. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of pablocmd2...@gmail.com >>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 5:50 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown >>> Controversy | Time >>> >>> They are going to be sue because they didn't informe the customers about >>> that weird operation that reduce performance, and neither they provided any >>> choice. They have done all of this quietly and for years. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Julian >>> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Apple Apologizes After iPhone Battery Slowdown >>> Controversy | Time >>> >>> LOL, apology… Yeah right! If they really want to show remorse, they would >>> give us the ability to toggle the throttling on or off. Good luck getting >>> them to do that though. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 28, 2017, at 4:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> 'We Apologize.' Apple Offers $29 Fix After Uproar Over Slowing Down >>>> Old iPhones Apple has apologized to its customers for what it calls >>>> a "misunderstanding" >>>> around the revelation that the company has been slowing down older >>>> phones to accommodate for their aging batteries. >>>> "We know that some of you feel Apple has let you down. We apologize," >>>> the company said in a letter published on its website Thursday. >>>> >>>> The controversy over the slowing performance of aging iPhones >>>> exploded last week after a blog post highlighted the relationship >>>> between iPhone performance and battery condition. Apple later >>>> confirmed that it has been slowing older iPhones' performance to >>>> prevent sudden shutdowns as their aging batteries lost potency over time. >>>> In the letter posted Thursday, Apple said it considers batteries >>>> "consumable components" and that it has always wanted customers to >>>> be able to use iPhones "as long as possible." To that end, the >>>> company will cut the price of a battery replacement by $50 for >>>> anyone with an iPhone 6 or later starting in late January. That >>>> means instead of dropping $79 to get a new battery and make your old >>>> iPhone work like new again, you'll pay $29 through December 2018. >>>> iPhone users can also expect an iOS software update early in 2018 >>>> that will include new information about their battery's health, >>>> letting people see when the phone's battery may be affecting its >>>> performance. >>>> The iPhone battery revelations struck a chord because some iPhone >>>> users believe the company intentionally slows its older phones to >>>> get customers to buy new ones. However, Apple says the practice is >>>> meant to prolong the life of older batteries. "This feature's only >>>> intent is to prevent unexpected shutdowns so that the iPhone can still be >>>> used," >>>> Apple says in a new support article. >>>> Still, Apple is now facing several lawsuits over the matter. The >>>> company also promised to keep working on how it manages performance >>>> to avoid shutdowns, and said it hopes to earn customers' trust again next >>>> year. >>>> >>>> Original Article at: >>>> http://time.com/5081679/apple-apologizes-iphone-slowdown-controversy >>>> -b >>>> attery >>>> -price/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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