I understand the problem people are having. However, I have found that if you 
memorize a spot that works in front of you, as in position, it will work every 
time. My daughter told me, that often I took the phone back to far. With her 
ideas and assistance, I can get it to undo itself 90% of the time. I just have 
to remember that my hand has to be in a certain position and a certain place 
for it to work. I’m not happy with Face ID, but I’m going to use it because I 
refuse to allow something technological to beat me. :-)

Joney
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"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Dec 18, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Angie Nutt <an...@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Maybe it’s because I’m getting old but I really wouldn’t care if a future 
> boss thought I looked strange. I used to be very timid but now I’d likely 
> tell above-mentioned boss just what I thought of him/her.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Responding to both these messages in one, at the risk of being off topic, 
>> you would care about looking strange if a future boss saw it. Just saying, 
>> and now I’m done.
>> Aleeha 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, to be fair, some blind people don’t really care if it looks normal. 
>>> It’s an advantage that we have, that we could use a phone without needing 
>>> to have it even remotely pointing towards us. But we must adapt. I can 
>>> almost guarantee that Android manufacturers will adopt something like 
>>> FaceID, albeit without the true security that Apple gives, well, not 
>>> counting attention-mode being off for us… Even then they couldn’t take the 
>>> phone without you at least hearing the unlock sound, at most hearing 
>>> VoiceOver speaking. Sure, it’s a little painful now, but it will get 
>>> better, as it did with TouchID.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry to say this, but if you are using your phone inside a bag or pocket, 
>>>> you look really strange to sighted people. It’s not normal. Also, FaceID 
>>>> is much more secure than TouchID ever was.
>>>> Aleeha 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, goshawk on horseback 
>>>>> <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> same here, who ever had the stupid idea of doing away with the touch id 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> replacing it with this stupid face id should be shot!
>>>>> another thing, is that you could use the touch id, whilst the phone is in 
>>>>> something like a bumbag, with out having to actually take it out. this is 
>>>>> particularly handy if using the phone whilst on horse back for example, 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> it greatly reduces the risk of dropping the phone. but now you can't do 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> with this pesky face id rubbish!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jed Barton" <j...@jedbarton.com>
>>>>> To: "viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 7:36 PM
>>>>> Subject: face id opinions wanted
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, i need some input here on face ID.  I'm gonna be brutally honest,
>>>>> i personally hate it.  I'm pretty good with apple, and keeping up on
>>>>> technology but this face id, it's just not working well for me or not
>>>>> as well as expected.  I actually turned it off, that's how annoyed i
>>>>> am with it, and i just do the home swipe.  It literally took me 17
>>>>> minutes to setup an alternate appearance, and i finally threw in the
>>>>> towel and gave up cause it just wasn't recognizing my face.  it would
>>>>> tell me turn my head right, i'd move it an inch or 2, but i guess
>>>>> that's too much.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?
>>>>> I have 1 appearance setup on my phone.  What i find, out of 20 times
>>>>> i'll unlock it, only about half of them work the 1st time.  Another
>>>>> thing in find, often when i go to sleep at night, i'll pick up my
>>>>> phone to do something.  It never has worked yet when i'm laying down.
>>>>> In my eyes, this is not acceptable.  I like to be productive with my
>>>>> phone, not sit there for 30 seconds to try and get the damn thing
>>>>> open. The fingerprint was way more reliable.  Has anyone else
>>>>> experienced this, am i alone?  Help me out here guys.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jed
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