First of all, I don’t think you can compare a self-driving car with an appliance. First of all, the self-driving car does not yet exist and probably it won’t exist for a while yet. I know others will argue this and some think that us blind folk will all be able to jump into our self-driving car in a few years and go where we want to go, but that is even further in the future. There has been some pretty big jumps in this technology and they hinted at this technology coming sooner than we might have thought, but a number of recent set backs where people got killed in cars with semi-autonomous capabilities make it very clear that there are huge hurdles yet to overcome and even when the first truly self-driving car will be available it will probably still mean a qualified driver with a license will have to sit behind the wheel. Anyways, I stray from the topic of accessible appliances.
To me an appliance with a truly accessible app is accessible. I think what GE has done by putting regular analogue knobs on these stoves for the cooktop is very smart since I think even many sighted people appreciate the familiarity and easy adjustability of such controls and as I said, cooking on a cook top requires often quick and frequent adjustments unlike baking or broiling or whatever. If I do a turkey I preheat my oven at the required temperature, then I put in my turkey and that’s it. Same goes for baking a cake, sure maybe some things require you to turn the heat up or down a bit for a period towards the end, but if that can be done in an accessible app or by asking Alexa then that is OK for me. Internet outages nowadays are pretty much just as rare as power outages and unless I have a gas range my range won’t work during a power outage either just as my WiFi. Thanks, Kimberley, for confirming your model, I guess yours is a gas model which I am not interested in since my kitchen is not set up for it and in any case, I really want that induction cook top, it’s almost twice as efficient as even gas is and once your remove a pot it’s barely hot enough to burn yourself, right after you take it off it’s hot for a minute or so, but it cools off super fast since the heat is not provided by an element in the cook top but it is transferred into your pot or fry pan by magnetism so it’s whatever you use to cook in which gets hot not the cooktop itself. I actually now found a 995 induction model, in addition to the 985 model it has a double oven which is also nice. MSRP in Canadian Dollars is $4,299 for the 985 model with the single oven and $4,699 for the 995 model with the double oven. My local store where GE is sold will call me today to let me know what they can do with respect to price. The owner used to e the manager of our Sears outlet before Sears went down the drain here in Canada and she then opened her own independent furniture and appliance store. I expect she’ll give me at least a somewhat better price, she doesn’t usually have these high-end models in stock anyways and it’s the same for me in my retail store, if I have to order some expensive item for a customer which I don’t have to carry in inventory and it’s basically sold already I am always willing to give a better price for it. Best regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Michael Malver Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS apps with smart appliances I agree with this 100%. I fear that makers of self driving cars will assume that if they create an accessible iPhone app, that will constitute access to the car. In the unlikely event of the phone dies, what would happen then? On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>> wrote: Offering an accessible app for an appliance does not, in my opinion, make that appliance accessible. The appliance needs to be accessible independently. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: IOS apps with smart appliances You could but it would be less convenient. Sent from Kimber's iPhone The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx On Apr 22, 2019, at 1:26 PM, Cristobal Muñoz <cristobalm...@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalm...@gmail.com>> wrote: This is always my concern with such expensive items like this. Let me ask, would you still be able to operate it independently should you have issues with your WIFI network or some other variable that would make Alexa or an associated app go wonky? From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kimberly Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: IOS apps with smart appliances We just bought a GE range with WIFI and Alexa connectivity and it seems to be working pretty well for me. The model we have is part of the Cafe line which also has washers, driers, dish washers and microwaves. I have no experience with any appliance except the range, but so far my experience has been positive. I suggest starting your search with the Cafe line. Also feel free to reach out privately for more indepth information if this is something you are seriously considering as these appliances are rather pricey. Kim Sent from Kimber's iPhone The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we go on.—Annie Proulx On Apr 22, 2019, at 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: I am on a similar search but for a range (cooktop/oven). I gave up a couple of years ago regarding an accessible, connected washer/dryer and bought a Miele set which is all buttons as in actual buttons you can feel although there are still options to select on a screen, but some of those are things you don't really need, sometimes an app like Seeing AI can pick it up and for those times when I actually have to use it and still need more help I just call Aira, Be My Eyes or my Mom using Facetime. For the most part my wife takes care of it, it's just once a year or so when she goes back to the Philippines for a few weeks when I have to use it independently. I have come to realize that it does not seem like there is a range which will be fully accessible, I have seen some which have WiFi, but so far I have only ever read that you can only control the oven. Anyhow, I could see how it would also be pretty inconvenient if you cook and you want to quickly turn the temperature of a burner up or down a bit when you are busy doing other stuff , maybe your hands are dirty etc. This would not be a good time where you have to unlock your phone and fiddle around with an app, in such as case the only thing which would make sense is if you could Alexa/Google Home and give a quick voice command which would be carried out instantly. One thing I did notice on the GE website was that they are talking about "ADA compliance" and one of our local stores actually send me an email after I asked them to look into something with analogue controls and said that some companies mentioned they had braille overlays for the touch screen. I plan to call GE tomorrow (if they are open) or Tuesday and hopefully find out a bit more. Their ranges actually get some pretty good reviews, so I definitely would like to chat with them. I am always amazed that given the number of government organisations in existence as well as all the private advocacy groups and people that nobody has done more to work with the major appliance makers to find a better solution. I bet nowadays a lot of these appliances run some sort of version of Android and it might not take all that much to make them talk on their own. 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