Hello Marie and well said. I admire your independence and ability to live alone.
Bravo. Mark -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie N. Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:50 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me. And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper. I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought additional benefits. -----Original Message----- From: Gordan Radić Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? Hi to you and everyone! I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as good as I could. I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and that's OK. I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab service apps. Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs. Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions. S poštovanjem Gordan Radić 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la: > Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of > the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I > can not do as easily on the computer. > The first and for me the thing which has really given me an > independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now > go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally > on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having > to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in > advance with a para transit service. > 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a > computer. > 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with > a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with > the computer when we can't read what is on the screen. > 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not > sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house. > 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no > assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about > what bills I have when I go out. > There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the > computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to > have both it and my PC. > Marie > > -----Original Message----- From: Gordan Radić > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or > Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? > > Hi to all! > > I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the > subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned. > > Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a > tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones > and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak. > > So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, > messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web > browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS > with voice over. > > There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There > were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't > accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault, > it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally. > > Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't > know when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window > Eyes, Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost > everything mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time > and if you ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued > respect, I still regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on > my phone. > > So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they > really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us > to the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our > laptops or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the > go but we were able to do things before iOS with Voice over. > > > S poštovanjem > > Gordan Radić > > 25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la: >> I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That >> was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 >> years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 >> things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In no >> particular order: >> >> 1. the ability to do some things that would otherwise require >> sighted >> help: BE MY EYES, and VOICE DREAM SCANNER to name just two. >> 2. The ability to send text messages to keep in touch with others >> when I'm not sure they are able to take a phone call, or when I just >> want to leave a brief message. >> 3. Ability to schedule appointments on a calendar immediately. >> 4. Keeping track of where I am either walking or riding a bus or >> paratransit: BLIND SQUARE OR NEARBY EXPLORER. >> 5. Playing games on my phone just for fun. >> >> Honorable mentions: 1. Shopping with the SHIPT app and perusing >> websites like Chewy at my leisure. >> 2. Watching TV using the spectrum app even when I don't have a TV >> right where I am whether outside or in a different room from the set. >> 3. Quickly finding business phone numbers or addresses. >> 4. Using UBER instead of a taxi since they are quicker, I can >> contact the driver directly whether than a dispatcher, and they are >> often cheaper. >> God bless! >> >> I'm sure there are more, but that's a good start. Paula and Garçon >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of M. Taylor >> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 1:49 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their >> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> What are the 5 most significant ways that iOS, Watch OS, Mac OS, TV >> OS and/or any of their third-party apps increased your level of >> personal independence. >> >> As for me:. >> >> 1. >> The ability to manage and pay my bills via all of the financial apps >> such as Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Pay, etc. >> >> 2. >> The ability to navigate with infinitely more confidence with apps >> like Seeing Eye GPS Xt, Apple Maps, Uber, Nearby Explorer, etc. >> >> 3. >> The ability to read printed documents and acquire product >> information, on the fly, with apps such as K.N.F.B. Reader, Money >> Reader, the native iOS camera app, Seeing A.I., etc. >> >> 4. >> The ability to quickly and easily access social media and news with >> apps such as Twitter, the native Apple News app, NFB Newsline, Lire >> Full Text RSS news reader, Good Reads, Yelp, You Tube, etc. >> >> 5. >> The ability to quickly and easily access books with apps such as BARD >> Mobile, Kindle, Apple Books, and of course, my beloved Over Drive. >> >> Honorable Memtions: >> 1. >> TV Guide Mobile. >> >> 2. >> CA Lottery app. >> >> 3. >> The Parcel Track package tracking app. >> >> 4. >> Digit Eyes Bar Code reader. >> >> 5. >> The My Chart medical App. >> >> I look forward to all of your replies, >> >> Mark >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the V >> iPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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