> Still not entirely sure why so many people are not wanting to update. Yes iOS 
> was pretty buggy in those first few betas, but is pretty stable now. No major 
> bugs come to mind. Final release seems just fine. I updated all my devices 
> yesterday and have not had any problems at all for what that may be worth. 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 09/20/2019, a la(s) 3:36 a. m., Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> If you have your automatic updates off, and say remind
> me later, there used to be another option to say no.
> 
> Then i would go and remove the downloaded update from my phone.
> 
> This always worked for me.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Karen Poulakos
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> That's the approach I usually take.  But for me, disagreeing with the terms 
> doesn't stop it permanently.  But it's an easy way to get rid of the message, 
> and delay it for awhile.
> 
> Karen P
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> This is great info.
> 
> Not to put too simple a spin on this but the only way I have found to 
> permanently stopped being prompted to update is to simply disagree with the 
> terms of service.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:28 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Those wanting to avoid iOS 13
> 
> A coworker sent me this.
> 
> Info from another group worth noteing - Hello group! With iOS 13 coming out 
> and lots of us not wanting to download it because of the multiple voiceover 
> bugs, may I take this opportunity to warn you of apples rather sneaky way of 
> overriding your settings to install updates when you don't want them.
> If you go into settings, general, software update, you'll find a button to 
> turn off automatic software updates. Go ahead and switch that to off, but be 
> aware that it may not stop the update from being installed. There's another 
> step you will probably need to take.
> You may find a dialogue popping up sometime in the next few days asking if 
> you want to install iOS 13. The two options you'll be given are "install now" 
> or "later". You'll assume you need to choose "later", since you don't want 
> the update at all, and then you'll be asked to enter your passcode. At this 
> point, the phone is ready to install the update, despite the fact that you 
> have auto update set to off, and it will do it sometime in the couple of days 
> after you've seen the dialogue come up.
> So, when the dialog has appeared and you've chosen the later option, go back 
> into settings, general, software update and you'll see another button has 
> appeared, called "Cancel auto install" or something like that. You need to 
> double tap that button to stop the phone doing the update automatically. And 
> all of this happens even though you've got your auto update set to off. Apple 
> sure are keen to get us updating.
> Sorry for the long post but I wouldn't want anyone to get caught out by this.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
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