I did discover one work-around: pressing the side and volume down buttons while 
the screen is locked will not turn down voiceover's volume and will reboot the 
phone. 

> On Nov 5, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That old way, also, still works on my iPhone 8.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 2:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
> 
> When I had my 7, I would hold down home and side button for about 13
> seconds. This worked for me even though the home button is a solid state
> home button. But I thought that the previous method mentioned would work
> for the 7 as well. If not, definitely try holding home and side button
> for around 13 seconds.
> 
>> On 11/5/2019 7:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> Gordan,
>> Have you done that with an iPhone 7?
>> That is the steps for an iPhone 8 and later.
>> 
>> Kelby,
>> Have you talked with Apple about this?
>> Do you have Sounds set to change with buttons?
>> 
>> I don't have access to an iPhone 7 to test.
>> 
>> For most purposes, a power off and power on will accomplish what you need. 
>> I'm not exactly sure what a reboot does that a shut down and restart doesn't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Gordon
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:48 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>> 
>> I've read where that will call emergency services if held down for a few 
>> seconds without release. the way I've always done a reboot is to press 
>> volume down and release it quickly, then press volume up and release 
>> quickly. then hold down the side button for about 13 seconds or so.
>> 
>>> On 11/5/2019 7:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>>> According to CNet, you are right, but maybe you are holding them down too 
>>> long?
>>> This is what I found:
>>> You now need to hold the wake and volume down buttons at the same
>>> time. After a few seconds of holding in the buttons, the Apple logo will 
>>> appear on your iPhone's display, indicating it has restarted. Then you 
>>> should be back in business.
>>> 
>>> Of course, there is no VoiceOver feedback so try holding for a count of 5 
>>> or 6 seconds, i.e. one 1000, 2 1000, etc.
>>> Then waiting for a minute or two for the restart.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 🖖 Live long and prosper
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
>>> kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 5:31 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>> 
>>> A quick press accomplishes nothing. They have to be held down.
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:53 AM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You do a quick press, of the volume buttons, and don't hold them for 
>>>> long, as that will lower your volume.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: kelby carlson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:11 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Can't Reboot iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> I know you do because I have had an iPhone 7 for 3 years. The problem is 
>>>> that pressing that combination now also turns the volume all the way down.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Kelby,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you press Volume Down and the side button together to do a reset 
>>>>> on the iPHone 7, but I would suggest checking the user guide to be sure 
>>>>> or Googling it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Anna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:27 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> No, pressing that combination of buttons does not work on the iPhone 7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On the iPhone 7, I believe you press and hold the Home and
>>>>>>> Power/Side buttons for 10 to 15 seconds. This will reboot and reset the 
>>>>>>> phone.
>>>>>>> You will not lose any data or apps from doing this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/4/19, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am talking about actually force rebooting the phone, not just
>>>>>>>> powering it off.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Then you can just hold the side button to bring up the screen
>>>>>>>>> where you can power down the phone.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:04 PM, kelby carlson
>>>>>>>>>> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not, I should have specified I'm using a 7.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kelby,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm assuming you're using an iPhone 8 or later. You can bring
>>>>>>>>>>> up the screen where you turn off the phone by tapping and
>>>>>>>>>>> releasing Volume Up, then tapping and releasing Volume Down,
>>>>>>>>>>> then holding the side button for a few seconds. If you do
>>>>>>>>>>> these same gestures but hold the side button for 10 seconds, the 
>>>>>>>>>>> phone resets.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:38 PM, kelby carlson
>>>>>>>>>>>> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> After updating to iOS 13, I now have an issue force
>>>>>>>>>>>> restarting my phone. Namely that when I hold down the lock
>>>>>>>>>>>> button and the volume down button, VO's volume is turned all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> way down.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this is not good if you are trying to restart the
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone. Is there a way around this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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