Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR. I'm pleased to report that after turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency. I see that the Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently. I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it was. Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality.
I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope that Apple will bring that back for folks. BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 13. Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the new/changed app functionality. You've helped make the transition a breeze. Thx, Albert *** Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada albertr...@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense. First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you. Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and it's snappy and responsive. The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down. Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued development and improvement. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of kelby carlson Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain? iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually. > On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White <lynnwhite...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, I agree. > > First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get > stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it. It doesn’t matter > what the app is that sends the notification. It repeats and repeats until I > can flick away from it. > > The other is a new issue. My default voice is Alex. But when I perform a > triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go > back to Alex. > > And, of course, there is the mailbox. But Apple supposedly knows about this. > The focus issues really aren’t fix. Maybe slightly better. But it is > definitely buggy still. > > Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper. Of course, you have > to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone >> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than >> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of >> problems with it. Do others agree? 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