Hi Shirley, Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a couple of examples of how I use it. As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list and locate what you're looking for. One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar. I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up. Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the three-finger swipe would take ages. I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that location, I use the scroll bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out. Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when using the traditional swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom. I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify. HTH, Nicky
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Shirley Baker Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't understand how to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would make sense please. q Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders <nicola.sand...@telenet.be> wrote: > > Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll bar! I > find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much quicker than > endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option in Settings. > Best, > Nicky > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn > Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35 > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window > > Boy I would too! > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Dave > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window > > I would like the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar. > > Dave. > > > From: Anne West <mailto:k1stm...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 6:30 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window > > > I agree. It seems the world is suddenly camera happy. I would like to get rid > of that info too. It’s annoying. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Afik > Souffir > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:40 > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window > > > > > > Hi Ann, > > I dont think that its have an option for this. > > > > > > Sent from my Iphone > > > > > > On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:35, Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net > <mailto:ann...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > On the texting screen, there is all kinds of clutter including the names > of other apps, camera, record, and so on. 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