Which has stopped being developed unless you know something no one else seems 
to know.
I'm glad it has worked for people, but no one has bothered to give a source.

That alone makes me wonder.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players

Hi Richard. Not quite sure what you mean, by several pieces?

It is just one program.

Dave.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 1:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: audible books on mp3 players

Everything I've read says it is not just one program, but you have to put 
together several pieces.
Could you say more and give a resource?




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
Herbert

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players

I have been using that one for years, and it works just fine.

On 7/7/20, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Since this is a hot topic right now, I did some investigating about
> converting audible books to other formats.
> Someone had mentioned something called Inaudible.  I would recommend
> against that because it is not a program as such and is apparently
> prone to be a mechanism for infecting machines with trojan viruses.
> Plus it is a combination of utilities with no accountable source
> according to a couple articles I've read.
>
> Here is a link to an article from February of this year on 5 different
> options for audible book conversion.
> I have no idea if any of this will work, but just offer it as a
> potential resource.
> I have probably all the books I will be buying from audible in my
> Audible library.
> Here is the link.
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> epubor.com%2Fbest-audible-aa-and-aax-to-mp3-converters.html&amp;data=0
> 2%7C01%7C%7C35d53bf9630d4e3799a408d822721c3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaa
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> WydWnId270bRT9ncjTypqSeU%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>
> You'd be kind of out of luck unless you could convert your audible
> books to
> mp3 so they would then play on the first gen stream.
>
> On 7/7/20, Andrew J. LaPointe <alapoint...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Richard, how does that work if you have the victor stream 1st
>> generation that won’t take the enhanced. Andy and Shubert
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 11:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed, but for some people, the fact that the enhanced files take
>> almost twice the memory, it causes a storage issue.
>>
>> I've used the enhanced mode since it became available because of the
>> quality of the sound.
>>
>> But, I also do not save everything on my personal storage, I leave it
>> in the Amazon cloud.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:55 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> I don't get the big deal it's another format you download it works.
>> I could maybe understand if enhanced didn't work but it does work
>> just fine.
>>
>> On 7/6/20, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> yes you can, if you already have them downloaded. But no, if you don't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Barbara Stahl
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 11:24 PM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> So it format for is discontinued does that mean that you won’t be
>> able to
>>
>> play audiobooks that you previously downloaded in that format or is
>> it just
>>
>>
>>
>> me you won’t be able to download future audiobooks in that format I
>> was
>>
>> under the impression that you could still listen to the audio for
>> format
>>
>> books that you had previously downloaded
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, that is true, if he is downloading all of his library.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, as i said earlier. Soon, he will have no choice, as format 4, is
>>
>> being discontinued.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Stahl
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 8:25 PM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, but if he is downloading all of his books to a computer or just
>>
>> storing them on a device then he will have to redownload all
>> previously
>>
>> downloaded books to read them in the inhanced format.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Joshua. You can change the format, of your audible library, at
>> any
>>
>> time.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you change to the enhanced format. It will change your complete
>>
>> library.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Hendrickson
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 5:14 PM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to keep downloading in format 4 for as long as I possibly
>>
>> can.  I wish when I began with audible, that I had used enhanced, but
>>
>> I didn't do that.  Its five years to late to change at this point
>>
>> unless I really have no choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/20, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Don't know about the U.S, or Canada. But format 4, is being
>>
>> discontinued.
>>
>>
>>
>> You will  only be able to download your books, using the enhanced
>>
>> format.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Joshua Hendrickson
>>
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 4:47 PM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> It really does make a difference between format 4 and enhanced.  Yes,
>>
>> I know that enhanced does sound a bit better, but I like format 4
>>
>> because it is smaller.  I just today downloaded a 3 book series that
>>
>> in format 4 was around one gig in size.  If I had downloaded this
>> book
>>
>> in the enhanced format, it would have been 2 gigs.  Saving an entire
>>
>> gig when I downloaded my 3 books isn't insignificant.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/20, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca
>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree, see if you can't free up a few hundred Mb, if you go with I
>>
>> think
>>
>> Quality 4 which is very good, most Audible books are only 150 or 200
>>
>> Mb,
>>
>> even if you can only download 1 at a time this would be vastly
>>
>> preferable
>>
>> than monkeying around trying to convert them to MP3 so you can put
>>
>> them
>>
>> on
>>
>> an MP3 player.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of
>>
>> Barbara Stahl
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:56 AM
>>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: audible books on mp3 players
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi!!
>>
>> I used to have an iphone 5s with only 16 gigs of memory too.
>>
>> I would just download the books I wanted to listen to and then delete
>>
>> them
>>
>> back off of the device. They just remain in the cloud until you
>>
>> download
>>
>> them again.
>>
>> However, it is possible to download the books on to an mp 3 player.
>>
>> However,
>>
>> you have to have one that can read protected files, maybe an ipod or
>>
>> victor
>>
>> streme or something along those lines. Otherwise, you are going to
>>
>> have
>>
>> to
>>
>> convert the files in to a non-protected format. I think you need
>>
>> special
>>
>> software to do this. Anyway, in order to download the files, you need
>>
>> to
>>
>> download the audible software and then you just go to your library on
>>
>> the
>>
>> audible website and download the items. Then you open the audible
>>
>> software
>>
>> and copy the books from there and copy them to your player.
>>
>> If you need help, you can always call audible, they are always very
>>
>> helpful
>>
>> and can walk you through the process.
>>
>> Oh one more thing, you could also use a kindle fire tablet, it has an
>>
>> audible app preinstalled on it and its accessible, and very
>>
>> affordable.
>>
>> You
>>
>> could download store and listen to audible books there with ease.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Dan
>>
>> <dbeaver...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com%3cmailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:dbeaver...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of starting to use Audible but it looks like I don't
>>
>> have
>>
>> enough space with my little 16gb Iphone six.  Too much other stuff on
>>
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is this, is it possible to save the Audible books on an
>>
>> mp3
>>
>> player instead of on my Six? If so how do I do this?  I looked on the
>>
>> Audible site and can't find any info about doing this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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