This may sound silly, but the reference to “light dependent” threw me at first. I guess I am just not used to using all of the substitute names for sighted people that seem to get used.
I do agree that Richard’s information was helpful, however. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of chalt...@outlook.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover? In addition to asking how a sighted person would answer a phone call on an iPhone, rena also said “I need to help my mother who never used an iPhone. I changed my 6S for the SE and gave her the 6S to her.” So I thought Richard’s information was right on point. Plus if Brad wanted to just highlight the one piece of information Richard already included in his email about answering a call, he could have done it with something more constructive and accurate than “all the references in Richard’s instructions to various VoiceOver gestures are irrelevant.” Just my $0.02. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover? I did not say your information was not helpful to new voiceover users. I said the information was irrelevant to the original question, which was how to answer and end a phone call on iPhone without voiceover being enabled. When answering questions on these list, I think it's important to keep your focus on the question that is being asked by the original poster, and not include information that is irrelevant and can cause confusion. - Brad - On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:15, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: OK Brad. Of course it did because that is the kind of things people ask about when they have never used a phone, but I am really confused why you said none of it was helpful when I said almost exactly what you said about the answering and hanging up the phone. I guess we will agree to disagree about what is helpful. Or, at least, I will agree to disagree with you. Richard Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry. My web site, www.turner42.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cd3ffe06a1d9b44f1534808d8cc659248%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637484083921562435%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=nZbrpbpIPieI%2FIOKfjWU2p%2F1%2BGSFbWdhiUsLLigLW0A%3D&reserved=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 9:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover? Of course I did. It had a lot of stuff in it that didn't apply to answering the phone without voiceover enabled. - Brad - On Feb 8, 2021, at 10:56, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: Excuse me Brad, but did you actually read what I posted? The very first line says, “* VO Gesture for answering the phone, 2-finger double tap, Light Dependent Gesture, 1 finger slide left to right, or tap on the answer button.” Perhaps you don’t get the intended humor of referring to sighted users as light dependent, but I gave the exact steps you did. And since the person asking the question had given the phone to her Mother who has never used an iPhone, I included the other things that she may end up needing to be able to explain to her mother. Richard Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry. My web site, www.turner42.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cd3ffe06a1d9b44f1534808d8cc659248%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637484083921572424%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4PM%2Fm8L88CI3A%2B%2BeiH3mzAd1HkRpdfr6TbJwEEUeKYA%3D&reserved=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 8:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover? since the original question was how to answer and end a call on the iPhone without VoiceOver, all the references in Richard’s instructions to various VoiceOver gestures are irrelevant, and do not apply when VoiceOver is disabled. Simply put, to answer a call when VoiceOver is disabled, one should first locate the Answer call button, and either tap the button once, or perform a one-finger slide action from left to right. To end a call when VoiceOver is not running, simply locate the End call button, usually located immediately below the Zero on the telephone keypad, and perform a one-finger tap on the button. That’s all there is to it. - Brad - On Feb 8, 2021, at 10:09, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: Thank you Debby for posting this. Here is a more complete list that I may or may not have sent before. Cheat sheet for helping light dependent iPhone users * VO Gesture for answering the phone, 2-finger double tap, Light Dependent Gesture, 1 finger slide left to right, or tap on the answer button. * VO Gesture to end a call, 2-finger double tap, Light Dependent Gesture, tap the end call button. * VO Gesture to scroll the screen sideways, 3-finger swipe sideways, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger swipe sideways. * VO Gesture to scroll screen up or down, 3-finger swipe up or down, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger slide up or down. * VO Gesture for context menu, either double tap and hold, or a 1-finger triple tap, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger long press. * VO Gesture to delete a reminder, and many other items, 1-finger flick down, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger swipe from right to left * selecting text, VO Gesture, use Text Selection on the rotor, Light Dependent Gesture, Long press 1 finger on a word, lift the finger and they will see a word highlighted, with a ball with a pin sticking up on the left of the word and a ball with a pin sticking down on the right side of the word, with the options, copy, lookup, or share. If they want to select more text, touch one of the balls and drag their finger in the direction of the pin and when they have selected what they want, lift their finger and the copy, lookup, or share options will appear. tap the one they want and go from there. Richard Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry. My web site, www.turner42.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7Cd3ffe06a1d9b44f1534808d8cc659248%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C637484083921582421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=na74Lcxq7nRLXm3oqlXbWnDv8YlBOcBCCNy80TDrzJA%3D&reserved=0> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debby Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 6:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: How do I answer a call and finish a call without voiceover? Hi Rena, Richard Turner, who is a frequent good source of information on the list gave us this information about gestures for sighted folks in October: * VO Gesture for answering the phone, 2-finger double tap, Light dependent gesture, 1 finger slide left to right, or tap on the answer button. * VO Gesture to end a call, 2-finger double tap, Light dependent gesture, tap the end call button. * VO Gesture to scroll the screen sideways, 3-finger swipe sideways, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger swipe sideways. * VO Gesture to scroll screen up or down, 3-finger swipe up or down, Light Dependent Gesture, 1-finger slide up or down. * VO Gesture for context menu, either double tap and hold, or a 1-finger triple tap, Light Dependent gesture, 1-finger long press. I hope that helps! Take care and stay safe! 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