For those that can’t use the touch screen or prefer physical buttons I use a Rivo2 keyboard. It can also be used as a phone. So yes you can use it to enter numbers at things like menus that say press 1 for this 2 for this or enter the last 4 or 5 of your account number.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of CJ & AA MAY Sent: Friday, September 3, 2021 3:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: landline or mobile phone/handy. I remember well my first mobile phone. I think I bought it about 30 years ago and it was a Nokia, the size of a brick with no speech and no apps. My current iPhone bears no comparison. So, why do I prefer my iPhone over my landline? 1. It is always close at hand. 2. As I’ve set different ring tones for friends and family, I always know who is calling; 3. With the package I have, all texts, e-mails, data downloads and calls are included, regardless of length; 4. I can quickly find the contact details of those I wish to call without having to go in search of my address book; 5. I can check my e-mails without having to go off into another room to access my computer; 6. I can make video calls if I so wish; 7. And then there are all the other apps that come with it, of course. So, are there occasions when I prefer my landline? I can only think of one, and that is when I need to dial an unfamiliar number; it is easier to press buttons than it is to slide around on a flat screen in search of the numbers. So, what about anyone else? Which do you prefer, and why? alison From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: 03 September 2021 18:41 To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact There is a huge difference between 1996 and now. I think I bought my first cell phone around 1994, a big Motorola flip phone and it was quite expensive back then. Also remember that it is a lot easier and more cost efficient to set up a mobile network in a small country like England with a lot of people who all want the technology. Think of this as a comparison: In 2019 Canada's population was just over 37.5 Million, the United Kingdom had a population of over 66 Million The geographical size of Canada is 9,985,000 square Kilometers, that of the United Kingdom is 242,495 square Kilometers That means Canada is more than 41 times the size of the UK with a population which is 43% less. Its difficult to compare the UK to a province because our 3 small provinces, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are a lot smaller than the UK with 5,660 square Km, 55,000 square Km and 72,000 square Km and the next larger province, Newfoundland and Labrador is 405,212 square Km and then it goes to Manitoba and Saskatchewan with 647,000 square Km and 660,000 square Km, respectively. All other provinces are significantly larger, Ontario is 1,076,000 square Km, well over 4 times the size of the UK with a population of less than 15 Million people. Imagine you take more than 4 times the population of Ontario and stick that into a quarter of its size. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: September 2, 2021 5:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact I was in the U.K. in 1996 and I was fascinated to see how cell phones were used back then, way more used there then they were here. I’m interested to know when texting started over there? When I was there, everybody still made voice calls. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & AA MAY Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 3:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact Here in Britain they are predicting that as from 2025 landlines will no longer be available. There are issues which need to be resolved before this can happen, for example, the UK traffic lights are operated via a landline and also what happens when there is a power cut and no wi-fi connection. Alison From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Esther Levegnale Sent: 01 September 2021 22:48 To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact I also listen to NewsLine on my land line phone. I do use my iPhone pretty much all day, and even keep it on at night when I'm sleeping, because my Fitbit measures my sleep. Well anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! Ha ha! Esther Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+! On Sep 1, 2021, at 2:01 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com <mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com> wrote: I agree – if I am home, I prefer to talk on my land line. I often pace while talking & when on my IPhone, I frequently break up as I move slightly away from the speaker. Also, never had a dropped call on a land line. Lastly I love using NFB Newsline on the land line. I can punch the buttons much faster than I can swipe. This enables me to listen to the newspaper with my phone laying down on the counter while I am chopping vegetables or doing other things. Having said all this though, I would not give up my IPhone for anything! Sherry Wells From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com <mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact I still prefer a landline to talk on the phone when I do talk. I’m not much of a phone person and I feel a disconnect when I talk on most cells. There are effects that I find unpleasant. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star Gazer Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 12:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact Agree, we had a land line, never used it, didn’t know it had stopped working, didn’t care when we did discover it wasn’t working so now just don’t have one. I never thought this would happen. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 1:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Land Lines, was Re: Identifying labels when making a contact One of the things that amazed me the most after I got my IPhone 5 was how quickly I turned off my land line. It was less than 3 months, my billing cycle was about to start again, and I just couldn't figure out why I needed it any more. That was almost nine years ago, I have not missed it. Arnold Schmidt Sent from Arnold's iPhone S E 2 On Sep 1, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: Yes, but for me if somebody has only a mobile number and this is their main/home number this is still a mobile number for me. I agree that maybe there should be a label for Mobile (personal) and Mobile (work) or even Mobile 1 and Mobile 2, but the purpose for these labels should also be that they determine certain actions, e.g. you say "text John Smith" and by default the mobile number should be used and I don't see any point in giving people the option to use their home or work phone. I have not had a landline in about 15 years and I don't think I recall ever having been in a situation where I desperately needed one. For me even paying $5 a month to have one would be a waste of money, then I also have to have a cordless phone or something like that and these days even during a power outage cell networks usually stay up for a long time because all the towers have battery backup and all that. In early July I visited my family who live on a remote Ranch and a big storm destroyed miles of power line and it took 5 days for the power to come on again and during this entire time the cell tower was working. Sure, if you are not somewhat prepared chances are you run out of power a long time before the cell towers do, but that is what external batteries are for, keep a 26,000 MAH battery topped up and you can charge your iPhone for a week. In fact, if there is a severe weather event chances are telephone lines are going to be down as well so there are probably situations where cell phones work and landlines do not. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: September 1, 2021 8:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact Sadly Sieghard, too many times these days Work phones and home phones are cell phones. Fewer and fewer of our friends are keeping a landline, and their work phone is often a cell phone also. That was true for me before I retired. We have kept our landline because I don’t want to be in a bind and find the cell service is down or the battery is down, etc. Richard “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” – Jane Wagner My Web site: <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2021 8:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Identifying labels when making a contact It also depends on which method you use for your Contacts, e.g. iCloud, Outlook.com, Exchange, Gmail etc. Yes, there are some labels which appear outdated as Richard said, but I don't think I ever encountered the issue that when I shared a Contact with somebody that the label was changed and in my opinion they are important especially if you have multiple numbers for a contact, e.g. Work, Mobile, Home etc. I do also agree with what Richard said about Apple not having paid much attention to this and neither has Apple been paying attention to the phone app. For as long as I have an iPhone which now is 12 years or so I wish that you could filter your recent calls not only by "All" and "Missed", but also by "Incoming", "Outgoing" and by a custom search filter, e.g. you type in a particular name or phone number and see only the calls from that person/number. Furthermore I wish that if one would then choose to select all and delete, that only the visible results would be deleted. Currently you can either delete individual calls or you can completely clear your recent calls list, it makes no difference if you choose to show only missed calls and then select to clear them, it still clears the entire call list. I have put this in as a suggestion a few times over the years, but apparently I am the only one who would find this useful and it would probably not be very difficult for Apple to implemenbt this. As for the labels there is one other issue which bugs me a lot and that is the following scenario: 1. Assume you have a contact called John Smith and you have a work phone, home phone, a fax number and a mobile number for that person 2. I now say to SIRI "Message John Smith" and I am not specifying "mobile" 3. SIRI will ask "Which of these should I use for John Smith, work phone, home phone, fax number or mobile" It is of course completely ridiculous why SIRI should ask this because you typically can't send a text message to a landline, e.g. work or home phone and you definitely can't send a text message to a fax number. And if you also have an email address added to the contact, e.g. johnsm...@gmail.com <mailto:johnsm...@gmail.com> , SIRI often also includes this in the list. Of course I can still understand it since if somebody has iMessage enabled you can send an iMessage to their email address, then at best it should ask if you want to use "Mobile or email". It's just another way where SIRI falls short of what it should be after 11 years of being around. At least it seems Apple has finally made SIRI smart enough where you can add a Contact with just a company name in the Company name field, e.g. Apple Accessibility, and then say "Call Apple Accessibility". Until maybe last year you always had to also add the company name either in the first name or last name field if you wanted to ask SIRI to call it or else it would not find it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: September 1, 2021 7:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Identifying labels when making a contact The Contact labels are a joke, and have been a joke for as long as I have had an iPhone. when was the last time you knew someone with a Radio phone, or a car phone, or a pager? And, the iPhone label is there sometimes and not others. There is a Custom label button to create your own some of the time and not others. Apple truly has not paid attention to the labels forever. Half the time, when I use their standard labels of home or work, and share a contact with my wife, the label is changed to Work, if it was home or to home if it was work. The same thing with Email labels in contacts. Pick one you can live with and, as they say, don't sweat the small stuff. Grin. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> On Sep 1, 2021, at 7:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: It does not matter, I have never used the iPhone label because in many cases you don't even know if the person has an iPhone or not and then there are those situations where somebody may have an iPhone and then they decide to get an Android phone when they next upgrade. I still have that label and I even see an "Apple Watch" label, not sure why I now have this, but I find it nonsense, whether iPhone or Android phone, they are all mobile phones and I have never experienced a situation that if the recipient of a message had iMessage enabled and was in range of a WiFi or cellular data network that the message was not sent as an iMessage. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom Cramer Sent: September 1, 2021 2:43 AM To: viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Identifying labels when making a contact Hello, When I first used an iPhone and learned to enter contacts, I remember that there was a section where you could identify someone's phone number as being a home phone, work phone, or miblie phone, and a bunch of other options. 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