It has been my experience, people had rather complain, whine throw pity parties 
 & choose not to heed advice or follow through with provided assistance. Guess 
it takes less effort to do the above than it does to try to help oneself at 
least halfway.🙄
> 
> Donna

> 
> Some people want help, but when you offer it they won't act on it and then 
> they are miserable because nobody helps them.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: December 28, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated
>  
> Hi Alan,
>  
> I agree with you whole heartedly, but getting this person to respond to email 
> and fill in the blanks to explain what's actually happening has been a no go 
> so far.
>  
> I asked this person if I could listen to her use her iPhone over her land 
> line so I could hear what's being reported or not reported by Voiceover, and 
> in this way I might be able to help, but I haven't heard anything back.  So, 
> I emailed her the phone number for Apple Accessibility and maybe they can 
> help her, if she calls them!
>  
>  
> Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
> Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alan Lemly
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 5:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated
>  
> Mike,
>  
> I hate to potentially misinterpret a post but the problem you described 
> sounds like a sighted person used to using an iPhone in a certain way with no 
> knowledge of Voiceover is trying to advise your friend who also has no 
> knowledge of Voiceover. We would be a lot more likely to help if she could 
> describe specifically what she is attempting to do as opposed to saying the 
> phone doesn’t allow her to swipe when she’s in Voiceover.  Ask her to go to 
> page 1 of her home screen, turn Voiceover on, place focus on the first icon 
> in the upper left of the screen, and then to repeatedly single finger flick 
> or swipe right so that Voiceover announces each icon as it advances among 
> them. If that works for her, I suspect the problem is with the operator, not 
> the phone. If this is her first iDevice, it’s going to take more than a short 
> learning period to get adept at using it regardless of how quickly she’s 
> caught on to her other adaptive equipment.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mike B.
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 2:44 PM
> To: viPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> an acquaintance is having a problem with a new iPhone 12 mini.  Can someone 
> help her out?  Her query is below.
>  
> Yes, Mike it is an I phone the problem now is that it will not allow me or my 
> sighted neighbor to swipe when it is in voice over.  When she turns off voice 
> over it has no problem.  That is where I am stuck.  It is a 12 Mini.  I'm 
> going to give myself a fairly short learning period and then it is going 
> back.  I have caught on to all my other adaptive equipment quite readily so 
> this is a very disappointing venture for me.
> Barbara
>  
> All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.
>  
>  
> Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
> Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
>  
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