And, you have to use passcodes at times like after updates. 

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 10:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New iPhone without tactile home button.

And there's no reason you can't use both. Set up face ID and whenever it 
doesn't work, you can always enter your pass code.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New iPhone without tactile home button.

I really think that too. 

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 3:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New iPhone without tactile home button.

You should give face id a chance.  Don't knock it before you try it.

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 1:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New iPhone without tactile home button.

When I get a new iPhone, I won't use face ID, but my passcode.

On 3/11/22, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I’m glad!
> We are all here to help each other.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!
>
>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Alan, and every one else,
>> Yes, the attention switch is off.
>> The more I use the iPhone, the better the face ID is working. I have 
>> been able to open the iPhone in the dark!
>> Thanks to every one for their advice,
>>
>> Chuck  (mobile)
>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>
>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe
>>
>> Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>
>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Go to Settings, Face ID and passcode, enter your passcode, swipe to 
>>> require attention for face ID and make sure it’s turned off. This 
>>> should have been off by default if you initially set up your iPhone
>>> 13 Mini with Voiceover running. I haven’t heard that this setting 
>>> affects face ID recognition in the dark but it certainly makes face 
>>> ID much easier for the visually impaired.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>> Of Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 10:06 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>
>>> Well I don’t know what’s wrong with mine, but I tried it probably at 
>>> least three dozen times last night and I didn’t work at all. Maybe I 
>>> need to rescan my face
>>>
>>> Chuck  (mobile)
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe
>>>
>>>
>>> Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:46 AM, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck;
>>>
>>> That is absolutely not true.
>>> I have used Face ID in a totally dark room and, it works just fine.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 12 Pro!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Chuck Dean <cadean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> No, I think that is supposed to come in the next iOS update.
>>> I also discovered last night that facial recognition does not work 
>>> when it’s dark in the room.
>>>
>>> Chuck  (mobile)
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>>
>>> Our 1972 Honda 600 Coupe
>>>
>>>
>>> Our 1961 Vespa 400
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay 
>>> <mohibra...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can 13 mini recognise you while wearing the face mask?
>>>
>>> On 3/11/22, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s great. I hope you enjoy your new 13 Mini as much as I’ve 
>>> enjoyed mine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
>>> Of Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 4:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you to all who have helped.
>>>
>>> I picked up my new blue iPhone 13 Mini and it is up and running 
>>> perfectly!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck  (mobile)
>>>
>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>> <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Well, last night, I typed a text and sent it to my pastor, who has 
>>> an Android phone. I never saw where it was delivered, and Sent was dimmed.
>>> If
>>> he hadn't responded, Thank you, I'd have not bee sure he got it. I 
>>> do not have an attached keyboard of any kine, typed from the phone, 
>>> but was so uncertain about the message. I guess it only says 
>>> delivered, when it goes to another iPhone?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 6:28 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>
>>> Carolyn, I think you’re a lot more tech savvy than you might think.
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fa
>>> ka.ms%2Fo0ukef&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf2c9b9dfbbf24dff12b408da043ae32
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>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on 
>>> behalf of Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
>>> <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> >
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 11:26:05 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
>>> Subject: RE: New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>
>>> If I can set up facial ID, I think most people can. I am well up in 
>>> my years, totally blind, and not especially tech savvy.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 3:20 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> I strongly encourage you to set up face ID on your new iPhone. Touch 
>>> ID is not available on iPhone swithout home buttons and having used 
>>> phones with both types of biometric identification, face ID works 
>>> much better than touch ID.
>>> Good luck with your new iPhone and I hope FlickType Classic is 
>>> working well on it.
>>>
>>> Alan Lemly
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>       On Mar 9, 2022, at 2:01 PM, Chuck Dean <cadean...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:cadean...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>       New iPhone without tactile home button.
>>>       Hello everyone, I am wondering about using apple pay on a 
>>> newer iPhone without a tactile home button. Is there a specific 
>>> place for scanning the fingerprint?
>>>       I understand these iPhone's have face recognition but I prefer 
>>> to use a fingerprint, if possible.
>>>       Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>       Chuck  (mobile)
>>>       Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
>>>
>>>
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