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Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max! > On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:43 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. > > Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. > > Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she > picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she > wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, > thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device > by simply pointing it towards me. > > It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. > > I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up > my phone?" Wow! > > I just don't like Face ID!!!!! > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <vipho...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Donna Casteen > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial > IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out > of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the > phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within > 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened > & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. > > Donna > >> >> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, >> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch >> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more >> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to >> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature >> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to >> learn something new. >> >> -- >> Christopher (AKA CJ) >> Chaltain at Outlook >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <vipho...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM >> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face >> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and >> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. >> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the >> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they >> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but >> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from >> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not >> that big of a deal. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >>> >>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >>> >>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >>> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >>> >>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >>> >>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >>> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles >>> I've read, recently. >>> >>> I just don't know, I just don't know. >>> >>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >>> going to miss Touch ID. >>> >>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >>> iPhone 14. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Dennis Long >>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully >>> they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the >>> USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did >>> this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. >>> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade >>> from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. >>> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the >>> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from >>> last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now >>> has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be >>> one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature >>> and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is >>> about it. >>> I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, >>> recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be >>> able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone >>> 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really >>> into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you >>> really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in >>> various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good >>> reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 >>> Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. >>> >>> I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have >>> upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I >>> would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. >>> This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to >>> keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay >>> $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in >>> Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or >>> $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would >>> give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I >>> could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. >>> So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and >>> 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may >>> soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and >>> Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat >>> tempted to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe >>> charging where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the >>> phone from its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can >>> get external batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah >>> capacity and it snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the >>> camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are >>> regularly available they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program >>> and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 >>> Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy >>> one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 >>> series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >>> Richard Turner >>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. >>> >>> One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't >>> mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that >>> is apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was >>> focused on hardware, not software. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of >>> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >>> >>> My web site: >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cec9ec4fa77eb4872341508da94273b0a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637985193460891317%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vh8WsywnziXIPzPVVi9Hy3ZIlZ9gHkP5jnHRItp6JGw%3D&reserved=0 >>> 🦅 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Cris >>> Ali >>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >>> >>> the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in >>> apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me >>> to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know? >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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