Ok one last reply because i guess this is getting a bit off topic. Thanks for that info, I totally forgot and only remembered AFTER sending my message that I do use apple music mostly through the sonos app (so i can use it from pc) and that this does allow me spatial audio/dolby atmos playback and that this will benefit from a sub and soundbar too. I live in the Netherlands and I think we too indeed have a good return policy from sonos. Bought the eras from them direct and when I had a question the customer service was very friendly. Just an aside, i looked intoit yesterday and I do think with airplay 2 you can only stream stereo. But no matter going directly through the sonos app is fine as well. Thanks again for all the info! I remember thanks to your information that I was able to with ocnfiedence try my apple watch while swimming and that is such a joy as well. Greetings, Anouk,
Op ma 9 okt 2023 om 23:55 schreef Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: > I find that an Arc with two Era 300 and a Sub sounds very nice especially > with tracks from Appkle Music which support spacial audio. > > Having said this, I am a bit of an old school purist when it comes to > music and I have a very high-end stereo system I bought around 1996 so if I > really want to sit down and listen to music as an activity say for an hour > or so, then I go downstairs and fire up the old Sonic Frontiers tube amp. I > admit, thought, that I have long since replaced the Sonic CD Transport > which was connected to a Sonic Frontiers DA converter with a Sonos Port, at > first it was just the older Sonos Connect, but when I upgraded all my old > Sonos gear years ago using the 30% upgrade credit Sonos offers, I bought > the Port because my Connect was the really old one which would only run on > the Sonos S1 app and I really didn’t want to use two apps for Sonos. I > still use the Sonic Frontier D/A converter which even back in 1996 cost > around $6,000 Canadian, but instead of it getting a digital signal from the > CD transport, it is now getting it from the Sonos Port via a digital Coax > cable. From the DA converter everything goes via fully balanced XLR cables > to a custom built electronic crossover and then to the Sonic Power 2 amp > which drives a set of custom-built speakers and anything below the base > crossover frequency goes to a Bryston 4NRB power amp which drives a set of > custom-build Subwoofers with 12-inch woofers. These are big, about 4 feet > tall, 14 inches wide and maybe 18 inches or so deep (in metric measurements > that is approx. 125 cm tall, 35 cm wide and 45 cm deep) > > Not sure what country you are in, but I think most places Sonos offers a > very generous no-questions asked return policy, here in Canada and the US > you can return anything you buy from Sonos for up to 6 weeks so there > really is no risk, just make sure you keep the box and take notes or a > video where you narrate how you unpack it as the packaging can be somewhat > involved, then after trying it for a few weeks and if you don’t like it, > just call Sonos and they send you a prepaid return label, you pack > everything up and get a full refund. > > As for renovations, I do quite a bit myself since I have a fairly well > equipped woodworking shop with table saw, miter saw, routers, sanders and > many other hand tools, but I still get contractors to do certain things > because despite all I can do and my over 20 years of experience doing them, > I am stil not a professional and sometimes a job takes at least 2 or more > people to do it efficiently. When we renovated I did all the demolision, > starting with taking off all the baseboard and door trims, taking the doors > off and removing the door jams, ripping the drywall off the walls and > loading it on a trailer I borrowed from a friend to take it to the dump, > then removing the 2x4 studs left behind which also included cutting open > the holes where power cables ran (only cut into a cable once and tripped > the breaker 🤣) and prying the top and bottom plates off the floor and > ceiling. > > There was a total of about over 50 feet of walls to remove and then there > was the wonderful job of removing 450 square feet of engineered oak > hardwood flooring which was glued and stapled to the sub floor. The > bedrooms had floating cork flloring which was easy as it just clicks > together with a tongue and groove system and it can just as easily be taken > apart again. I worked on this many evening and several weekends, my wife > helped where she could, but when the contractor came in to frame in the new > wall between the living room and new, larger bedroom, everything was out > and clean. It only took them a day and a half to frame the wall and then > another day to take out the two bedroom windows which were not very big and > to enlarge the opening for two new, more energy efficient larger windows. > Then the electrician spent 2 days cleaning up all the cables which were > dangling everywhere and to re-route them to where the new plugs and > switches needed to be. > > I then did drywall with a young guy who has a renovation/building company > with his father in law, he is a good customer at my store and does smallerr > jobs for cash, works for him and it saves me a bunch as well. I then had > another 2-person team who did all the mudding, sanding and eventually > painting. I also had the new engineered hickory hardwood flooring installed > by a professional, it once again needed to be glued and stapled but before > that he used a cement patch to apply to the subflooring to even out all the > rough spots left by tearing out the old flooring and there is simply no way > a blind person could do this as some things just require not just > functioning eyeballs but also the required skill to do the job. All in all > it took 3 weeks to do everything, I did install one of the new interior > doors but had the young guy who did the drywalling help me with the other > two just because it’s easier and faster. He also installed all the new door > and baseboard trim since I got some very nice solid knoddy Alder trim which > was expensive and I didn’t want to mess it up. Once again, if you look at > the 12-foot or so length of a piece of baseboard trim, a sighted person who > knows what they are doing will see where the wall may not be perfectly even > and they can scribe these spots with a pencil and then use a grinder to > remove what often is not much more than a millimeter or two of material > over a 40 or 50 cm length along that piece to make it fit perfectly. > > I love renovating and building and in particular anything to do with wood, > but I kmnow my limitations as well and I wanted this job done in the 3 > extra weeks my wife stayed in the Philippines to visit her family so I > didn’t have 6 months to try and do it myself, after all, I make my money > running a retail business and not a building contracting business so any > time I can spend on stuff like this is evenings and Sundays and maybe the > odd day I take off from work at my store. > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of > *Anouk Radix > *Sent:* Monday, October 9, 2023 4:05 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: installing apple tv without a tv? > > > > Hi Sieghard thanks for that detailed installation. > > I would be interested to know how you find the sound of your > tvsetup(arc+2xera300+sub) for just music listening with airplay 2? > > As I said I now have 2 era300 speakers (my first sonos speakers, love the > sonos app on ios and on pc! would be nice though if it supported google > cast as well as a fer more bluetooth codecs though). But am thinking of > also getting the arc and sub. Which is probbably totally overkill in my > situation. > > but still: is it any good for just music listening through airplay? > > Thanks in advance for any information and I admire your sills to be able > to renovate your own home. > > Greetings, Anouk, > > > > Op ma 9 okt 2023 om 01:26 schreef Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: > > Hello Anouk, > > > > No problem, always happy to discuss Sonos. I have actually downsized my > Sonos system considerably. I used to have 3 stereo pairs of Sonos One > speakers, a set of Sonos One SL which were my rear speakers in a setup with > at first a Sonos Playbar and Gen 1 Sub and later with an Arc and Gen 3 Sub. > > We also had a stereo pair of Play 5 in the bedroom, note these were the > older, second generation Play 5 speakers which were replaced by the Sonos > Five. > > The Sonos One speakers I had set up as a stereo pair in the kitchen, > another stereo pair in my woodworking shop and the third was and actually > still is a stereo pair in our bathroom. > > The first change was that we did a pretty major renovation to the upstairs > of our house which consisted of a living room, kitchen, a short hallway, a > guest bedroom, another smaller bedroom which I used as office and the > slightly larger but still not very large master bedroom, and of course also > a bathroom. > > I started out by ripping out all interior walls from the living room and > hallway to the guest bedroom as well as from the guest bedroom to the > office and from the office to the master bedroom. > > This left us with one large, slightly L-shaped area for the entire half of > the upstairs which was not stairs, kitchen and bathroom, a little more than > 700 square feet as the entire house has a footprint of just under 1100 > square feet. > > We then partitioned off a new, larger master bedroom across the entire > width of the house towards the backyard, still only about 11 feet wide, but > 25 feet across. One one end I divided off about 4 feet which is now a > walk-in clothet. > > The new living room where we now use the part towards the front of the > house as a dining area, is now about 14 feet wide by 30 feet long and on > the other end towards the bedroom wall we set up our couches and a new > 8-foot long custom-built entertainment unit. This has our 55-inch LG OLED > TV mounted on a wall-mount in the centre with the middle of the screen at > about head height when you sit on the couch as it should be. This means > it’s mounted a few inches higher than the Sonos Arc sound bar which sits in > front of the Tv. Wall-mounted to each side of the main couch where we > usually sit to watch TV is a set of Era 300’s as rear speakers and just to > the right when you face the TV and at the end of the entertainment unit is > the Sonos Sub sitting against the wall. > > As I built an entirely new wall between the bedroom and living room, I > planned for a set of in-wall speakers which are connected to a Sonos Amp > for the bedroom. The are pretty much perfectly situated across from the bed > and with th ebed right in between the speakers and of course before the > drywall was installed I installed the speaker wire to the walk-in clothet > where the Sonos Amp sits on a high shelf with an outlet right beside it. > > In the bathroom we still have a wall-mounted stereo pair of Sonos One > speakers. > > As I don’t do as much woodworking any more as I used to do , I didn’t feel > the need to have a stereo pair of Sonos One speakers in my shop, we didn’t > need the stereo pair of Play 5 speakers any more which were in our bedroom, > the Sonos One SL stereo pair we had as rear speakers got replaced with the > Era 300’s and in the kitchen I felt we didn’t need a permanent stereo pair > of Sonos Ones, either. So I ended up selling the two pairs of Sonos One and > the pair of Sonos One SL as well as my stereo pair of Play 5. > > I always had a Sonos Move and added a second one setting them up as a > stereo pair in the kitchen and as they are battery operated speakers, this > would of course allow me to also bring them to my workshop or outside if I > wanted. > > I recently bought a new set of the Sonos Move 2 and I’ll probably sell my > set of the original Moves, one is from when they first came out and the > other I only bought last February or March so it’s only just over half a > year old. > > I also have a single Sonos Roam which currently sits on it’s magnetic > charging base in the bedroom, but it’s probably the one Sonos product I use > the least so I’ll probably sell it as well. > > This means we are down to the following 4 zones/rooms: > > Living room: Sonos Arc, set of Era 300 and Sonos Sub with the Arc being > connected to the EARC HDMI port of our LG 55-Inch C2 OLED TV > > Bedroom: Sonos Amp connected to a somewhat higher-end set of Paradigm E80 > in-wall speakers and in time I will probably add a Sub Mini to that room > > Bathroom: stereo pair of Sonos Ones > > Kitchen as well as my shop and outside: a stereo pair of Sonos Move 2 > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of > *Anouk Radix > *Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2023 7:03 AM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: installing apple tv without a tv? > > > > Hi, thanks fo ryour replies! Yes I have two era300s now but am planning to > expand my system to the setup that you mentioned in your first message > (2xera300+sub+arc). After some more thinking I think that this indeed might > not work as I want it too because of the fact that you would stream > video+audio from the apple tv (hope jaws reads this better now) to the arc > even if I use an earc cable. > > Thanks for mentioning the extractor have been thinking about this as well. > But of course this would get really expensive pretty fast. > > Just out of curiosity what sonos setup are you running at this time? I > remember talking to you on this list about sonos a few years ago and you > mentioning htat you wanted to run two play fives. > > Thanks again for the help and sorry for not being clear the first time > around. Sometimes things are clear in my head but when i have to write it > down... > > Greetings, Anouk, > > > > Op zo 8 okt 2023 om 08:55 schreef Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>: > > And I just re-read your message and realized you asked specifically about > using an Apple TV connected directly to Sonos. > > Sorry for missing it the first time, you spelled “appletv” as one single > word and hearing it with Jaws it didn’t sound much like “Apple TV”. > > Anyways, to my knowledge the Apple TV’s HDMI output has to be connected to > a TV; I tried connecting it once to my Sonos Arc and I got nothing. > > Maybe there are settings you can change to make this work, I just never > bothered a lot because my wife is sighted so we have a fairly new LG OLED > smart TV and I never watch/listen to a movie by myself; we do enjoy some > movies together, but if I am by myself I’ll prefer a good audio book any > day. > > You may want to call Sonos support and ask if there is a work-around, > potentially you could get it to work using one of these “Hdfury Arcana” > adapters, they aren’t cheap, but here is the description from their website > followed by the link: > > > > WORLD’S FIRST eARC adapter that allows FULL AUDIO up to Dolby Atmos over > TrueHD from ANY external HDMI source to ANY eARC sound system > > Perfect solution for SONOS Arc and ANY eARC AVR, soundbar or headphones. > > > > In other words, if you have a Sonos Arc which I can’t quite figure out > from your message, this adapter would probably allow you to connect your > Apple TV which would be considered the “external HDMI source” directly to > your Sonos Arc, but once again, I don’t have one of these gadgets so I > can’t guaranty it will work. Here is the link to their website: > > > > Hdfury Arcana <https://www.hdfury.eu/shop/hdfury-arcana/> > > > > Best regards, > > Sieghard > > > > *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of > *Anouk Radix > *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2023 10:10 PM > *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* installing apple tv without a tv? > > > > Hi this might sound like a strange question. I have 2 era300s now from > sonos and want to make this into a surround system that I then want to use > with an appletv to stream netflix/disney plus. Since I live alone I dont > need a tv. Is it possible to install the appletv if I connect it via hdmi > to the sonos arc/then use the remote for navigation? 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