Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch I agree. I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function. And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic time. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time. When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off. Richard, USA “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.” -- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom Rash Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch It does not work consistently for me. I have S E version of the watch. It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work. If I try it again, it usually works. If voice over is turned off, it does not work. On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results. On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions: Hello Sieghard, Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked. If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results. If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation. You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585 The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap. I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at. I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume this could also have something to do with it. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu<mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>. 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