Photography by nature is a visual activity. I do know blind photographers, but they had usable vision at some point. i recall when the Optacon was introduced and how much trouble congenitally blind people had learning to track in a straight line with the camera. i know people who have the KNFB reader, and even with all of the support it provides, I know many blind persons who still can't get a good scan. Blind people have to work extra hard to learn what comes naturally to someone who can see.

Andy


-----Original Message----- From: Candy
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tap See findings


Eileen, I think you hit the nail on the head. I am totally blind, and have been so since birth. I have no clu about taking a picture, and have had random results with the app. Yet, I know it works because when my sighted husband takes the picture, it works fine.
I just need to keep practicing because I think it is an amazing app.



------------------------------
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:47 AM CST Sandra Heaton wrote:

Hi Eileen,

I'm sure you are right on this matter and I thank you for sharing that experience with us. I must admit, I do find it difficult keeping the phone still. But Yes I will keep trying and persevering I got it once so I am sure I can do it again.

take care,


Sandra
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----- Original Message ----- From: Eileen Misrahi
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 12:29 AM
 Subject: RE: Tap See findings


 Hello Sandra, Alex, and Rose,



I apologize to all of those who have been blind since birth in regards to possibly never having the experience of taking a picture. I lost my sight in my early forties to the level that I am at currently (light perception). Prior to that photography was a hobby of mine and I was usually the one in the family who took the pictures of the kids. That old muscle memory came back when I began to use all of the object recognition and OCR apps for the phone. The most essential steps in taking any picture is to center the objects, correct lighting, and keeping the camera as still as you can. When using TapTapSee, I employ the principles that Sandra Tompkins has explained so well when using any of the OCR apps. It does take practice and lots of it. I encourage all to persevere with this because I have received great results, which have assisted me in utilizing Looktel Recognizer. HTH.



 Eileen

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 3:37 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Tap See findings



Sandra, I've been totally blind since birth too, and I feel the same as you do. It has the potential to be a really useful app, but I'm not sure it is quite yet.

 Cheers

 Alex



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Heaton
 Sent: 08 February 2013 23:21
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Tap See findings



 Rose,



I have been totally blind since birth but it is hit and miss with me. I have to say I do get frustrated I have managed to do it a couple of times but I do seem to be getting more misses but as the saying goes, practice makes perfect and that's what you have to do I guess.



 take care,





 Sandra
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----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Bundy

   To: viphone@googlegroups.com

   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:46 PM

   Subject: Re: Tap See findings



Hi, Rose. I have been totally blind since birth. I have gotten results, but I do not always consistently have success. I think it is possible, but much tougher, for those of us who have never seen to learn how to focus a camera to take pictures.



   Keith

   Sent from my iPhone


   On Feb 8, 2013, at 11:53 AM, "Rose Combs" <rosecom...@gmail.com> wrote:

I still don't have much success, maybe it is because I have never been able to see much more than bright lights, very bright lights. I seem to get horrible results with anything using the camera except for LookTel Money Reader. Even that will sometimes give me no results.

So my question would be are those of you getting fairly good results people who had some sight even if only in childhood? Just curious how many who have been totally blind since birth are using the app and getting or not getting results.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
     Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:16 AM
     To: viphone@googlegroups.com
     Subject: Tap Tap See findings

Cans seem to be the hardest but I've found that in general the seam of the label should go on the left about at the 9 o'clock place and it may take a few shots to get it right and it may require moving the iPhone closer or further back. I place my iPhone on the kitchen island standing up. The can to be examined is about a foot away from my iPhone. To the right or behind the phone is the kitchen window so light shines on the can's label. I could get a shot that says Hormel Chili. Informative, but not much help so I moved the phone a few inches closer and nailed it. Hormel Chili no beans.

Boxes of pasta were far easier. I could get it to identify the brand and the style of pasta. With bottles, I could get it to identify KC Master peace barbecue sauce but it took 2 tries as the first time I had the bottle facing backward.

     Tap Tap for a free app is becoming one of my favorites.

----- Original Message -----
       From: Andy Baracco

       To: viphone@googlegroups.com

       Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:19 PM

       Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

       Also, you need to make sure that the label is in the picture.

       Andy


-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Mosen
       Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:08 AM
       To: viphone@googlegroups.com
       Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results

I don't think the quality of the picture is entirely the issue but of course it's a huge factor. If you've got a bottle of wine from a source the IQ Engine database doesn't know about, it's not going to be able to tell you the vintage and winery. This is why I'd like to be able to force a crowd
       soruce inquiry when needed.

       Jonathan
On 4/02/2013, at 1:33 AM, Sandratomkins <sandratomk...@googlemail.com>
       wrote:

       > Hi,
       >
> Using the ScanBox, I shot a bottle of wine and got the name, type and > year!! So, obviously, if the shot is good enough, more info is available. > mind you, this was more a picture of the label than the bottle itself, so > try again, this time a little close and, obviously, have the larger label
       > toward you.
       >
       >    Happy tippling! Sandy.
       >
       > Sent from my iPhone
       >
> On 2 Feb 2013, at 19:50, "Rose Combs" <rosecom...@gmail.com> wrote:
       >
> Well, it told me that I was looking at a computer screen, a can no matter > how I turned it, a wooden table and that my polo shirt was a black
       > sweater,
       > not green and a bottle of perfume was air freshener, which may be
       > somewhat
> correct. My bottle of cocktail sauce was a classic coke. Well some > progress, it least it talking to me now. The computer screen was correct
       > as
> was the wooden table. Hmm, dependable, will I will leave it up to the > reader to see how dependable it is for me at this point. Why can't I do
       > it
> is the big question. I can run computers, iPhone, all sorts of stuff
       > even
> if it does not talk to me so why can't I get an app to identify anything
       > or
       > take a picture of anything but my fingers?
       >
> No I don't intentionally take pictures of my fingers on a regular basis
       > but
> I can tell you from what my nephew said, it was a nice picture of my
       > fingers, LOL.
       >
       >
       > -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
       > Behalf
       > Of Susan
       > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 1:15 PM
       > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
       > Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
       >
> I wasn't thinking when I bropped a bunch of K cups in a canister, but it > distinguishes the brand name. That was enough to help me figure out
       > which
> one I wanted. I had Green Mountain and Folgers, and I prefer different > water levels. It even told me I have a black dog, and my hubby had on a
       > gray shirt. I like this app.
       >
       > On 2/1/13, Rose Combs <rosecom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I only wish I got results, only one I have gotten thus far is can but >> not what it was a can of. However, I seemed to be doomed with camera >> anything, Looktel Money Reader is the exception it works at 98% of the
       > time.
       >>
>> I really wanted this to work since I am here alone so much of time and >> end up playing guess what this is, especially when someone else put it >> away or bought it as my husband will, without ever telling me about it
       >> until he wants it that is.
       >>
       >>
       >> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
       >> Behalf Of Barbara Wilson
       >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:27 AM
       >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
       >> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
       >>
>> No Carol, you just take a pic and the app does a very good job of
       >> identifying the object. You don't need to do anything else.
       >>
>> I think this app is one of the best I have ever downloaded. Here are a >> few of the things I've tested it on with great success, trying it out
       >> for a class of students thinking of buying iPhones.
       >>
       >> Identified a ten pound note, identified shampoo and conditioner
       >> bottles, told me colour of shirts, told me pattern on duvet,
>> identified jar of coffee, identified can of coke, read title of CD, and
       > more.
       >>
>> Been chatting to others on Twitter and the overall verdict is that
       >> this app is great.
       >>
       >> I don't know how it works, just that it does, and brilliantly.
       >>
       >> Barbara
       >>
       >>
       >> -----Original Message-----
       >> From: Carol Pearson
       >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:23 PM
       >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
       >> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
       >>
>> Where does its database come from? Do you have to create one from
       >> objects to start with?
       >>
       >> Carol P
       >>
       >> On 01/02/2013 15:24, Paul Ferrara wrote:
>> It does a good job of identifying objects, all sorts of objects. Give
       >> it a try.
       >>
       >> Paul
       >>
       >> -----Original Message----- From: Carol Pearson
       >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 9:51 AM
       >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
       >> Subject: Re: Repeating tap tap see results
       >>
>> What's the big attraction about this app in terms of taking pictures,
       >> so far as visually impaired people are concerned?
       >>
>> I missed out on the beginning of talk about this app and would really
       >> like to know why it's getting popular!
       >>
       >> Carol P
       >>
       >> On 01/02/2013 00:16, Dmitriy wrote:
       >>> Eileen and Paul,
       >>>
>>> The new update for TapTapSee now features a repeat function, as well
       >>> as an automatic flash.
       >>>
       >>> Here's a link to it:
       >>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/taptapsee/id567635020?mt=8
       >>>
       >>> Hope that helps,
       >>> Dmitriy
       >>>
       >>> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:32:35 PM UTC-8,
       >>> paul.f...@insightbb.com
       >>> wrote:
       >>>
       >>>   Hello,
       >>>
       >>>   No you cannot get it to repeat unfortunately.
       >>>
       >>>   Thanks.
       >>>
       >>>   Paul
       >>>
       >>>   -----Original Message-----
       >>>   From: Eileen Misrahi
       >>>   Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:45 AM
       >>>   To: vip...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
       >>>   Subject: Repeating tap tap see results
       >>>
       >>>
       >>>
>>> Sent from my iPhoneWith good lighting, the app was very accurate.
       >>>   Is seems
>>> that the result is only spoken once. Can you get the results to
       >>>   repeat? All
       >>>   suggestions are welcomed.
       >>>
       >>>   Thanks in advance.
       >>>
       >>>   Eileen
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