I am willing to bet that online maps are significantly less expensive. Consider that apps with built-in maps are about 100 or more times the cost, and that is with amortisation across a very large market. Unless people are willing to spend several hundred to a thousand dollars for the app, you are stuck with online maps.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/02/2013, at 15:10, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Grant, > > Definitely good points, I do have an unlocked phone, but when I was on Maui > last April for 2 weeks I didn't bother to get a local SIM. AT&T is the best > option there as far as coverage and they basically told me I could not have > a prepaid SIM with data. When I went to Las Vegas last November I ended up > getting a SIM from T-Mobile, I believe it cost me about $45, they charged me > $30 for the SIM and $11 to put some money on it. On Maui my friend and I > used Navigon all the time because she has a pretty bad sense of direction > and since we used it exclusively in the car it worked beautifully, it was > always accurate and of course I had downloaded the maps for Hawaii before > leaving so it was no problem. I completely agree that the option to download > maps to the phone would be ideal. But as I also said, it's their first > version and as long as the updates keep on coming and we see user feedback > incorporated in these updates I have no problem at all to be patient and > give them a chance to improve the app. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Grant Hardy > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:11 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 > Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! > > Hi Sieghard, > > Like you, I'm not too concerned about GPS apps chewing through huge amounts > of data. The bigger concern for me is reliability. Cellular data isn't > always perfect and it seems clear that you are more likely to get a smooth > experience if map data is stored locally rather than in the cloud. Also, for > people who don't have unlocked phones it will mean that they probably will > not want to use a GPS app that accesses data while roaming. Therefore, I do > hope Sendero will consider storing at least some data locally in a future > update. > > Grant > > On 2/27/13, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> >> Sendero LookAround uses data to look up map information and somehow I >> doubt they would put the maps on the phone, but I guess we'll see. >> Keep in mind that your GPS application accessing map data will not use >> up huge amounts of data. I am also in Canada and while I am now on a 2 >> Gig plan I used to be on a flex plan and I have a hard time using even >> 1 Gig of data a month, of course I am not streaming music all day long >> through my phone, but I am also not particularly careful, I download >> apps via 3G, make VoIP calls via 3G and even download or stream the >> occasional podcast. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Robert Fenton >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:36 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new 2013 >> Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >> >> Hello. >> >> The reason I asked about price earlier was simply to know how much I >> would be paying to obtain the product. There is little question that I >> will be purchasing it. The only factors that might convince me >> otherwise is if Canadian maps are not available or if maps are only >> available via data plan. >> The latter factor would substantially increase my bottom line cost for >> using the app since at the time of purchasing my cell phone contract, >> no unlimited data plans were available in the jurisdiction where I >> live. >> >> So, my initial question about price was a relatively simple one. I had >> no idea the discussion would take the philosophical turns it has. >> Sorry if that has bothered anybody. J >> >> Bob Fenton >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2013-02-27, at 8:15 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>> It's also worth bearing in mind that regardless of the price, unless >>> of course it's free, there will be some people who think it's too much. >>> This is understandable since the blind span the economic spectrum. >>> It's also human nature and not specific to the blind. >>> >>> There are also those who will label it as a blind ghetto product and >>> avoid it at all costs with the belief that main stream products >>> should be made more accessible rather than investing in applications >>> specific for the blind. I respect those who share this opinion, but >>> I'm more pragmatic than religious on this point, i.e. I'll use >>> whatever I need to to get the job done. I think my independence and >>> ability to compete with my sighted peers does more to promote the >>> independence of the blind than it does for me to avoid a product >>> developed with the blind in >> mind. >>> Again, this is just my opinion, and I definitely respect those with a >>> contrary opinion. >>> >>> Finally, I can only speak for myself, but I'm not really too >>> interested in what others think about whether a price is fair or not. >>> As Raul says, this is a decision I'm going to make myself anyway. >>> >>> On 27/02/13 08:11, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>>> One other nugget of thought to bear in mind, whatever is charged, >>>> Apple will be nabbing 30% of that, so just bear that in mind when >>>> the criticisms begin to flow. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an >>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all >>>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit >>>> www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>> >>>> URL: - www.talknav.com <http://www.talknav.com> >>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com <mailto:serv...@talknav.com> >>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>> >>>> On 27 Feb 2013, at 06:49, Charles Dean <chuckd...@icloud.com >>>> <mailto:chuckd...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Years ago I bought the human ware Trekker which cost over twelve >>>>> hundred dollars. Considering the freedom it gave me, I still think >>>>> it was worth every penny. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, so many apps are so inexpensive that when one >>>>> appears with a higher prize tag, many of us get a little sticker shock. >>>>> >>>>> If this app proves to be as good as I hope, I will buy it no matter >>>>> what the costs. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>>> Pleez x cuze any tie ping or spelin airors. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:36 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" >>>>> <r...@raulgallegos.com <mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The one thing to keep in mind once the price is announced is how >>>>>> much is this app worth to some of us. Remember that specific >>>>>> installs for the braille note and braille cents products cost more >>>>>> than $600. Also remember that many commercial GPS apps for the >>>>>> iPhone itself can cost anywhere from $25-$55. I have no idea what >>>>>> the price for this app will be, however I do know that once that >>>>>> price is announced if people don't like it there will definitely >>>>>> be a lot of vocalization from peoples opinions. I only say this >>>>>> because any time and accessibility app is announced in that price >>>>>> is more than five dollars, people seem to make a big deal over it. >>>>>> I can look through the archives and discussions of the access >>>>>> notetaker app, blindsquare, Fleksy, Sendero's Look Around app, and >>>>>> the various daisy readers Have mostly initially been met with >>>>>> criticism >> over the price. >>>>>> Some people will purchase the app despite the cost because they >>>>>> want to support the developer. Others will purchase the app >>>>>> because it is worth it to them. And still others might wait for >>>>>> the app to go on sale before they make a purchase. My purchasing >>>>>> history shows that depending on the app in question I could fall >>>>>> into any of those categories. Fleksy and blindsquare were apps >>>>>> which I purchased only after they went on sale. Yet voice dream >>>>>> reader and looktel recognizer were apps I purchased at full price. >>>>>> And finally, apps light digit-eyes and read2go our ones which I >>>>>> have not purchased and don't intend to. So my only point in >>>>>> writing this message is to remind everyone, including myself, that >>>>>> no matter what the price of a new app is, we will have to decide >>>>>> for ourselves if it is really worth it to us considering our >>>>>> personal needs and the features contained in the app. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca >>>>>> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi List, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This does indeed sound very promising and I especially think one >>>>>>> of the best news about this is that they use both Navteq and OSM >>>>>>> maps as well as POI's from Navteq, Foursquare and OSM. This >>>>>>> should really provide very good and up-to-date map and POI > information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we can all have a few less apps on the phone since this one >>>>>>> will most likely make some others redundant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also would imagine that since Seeing-Eye is involved in funding >>>>>>> the project that the price for the app maybe more reasonable than >>>>>>> we all may think. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sieghard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:02 PM >>>>>>> *To:* ViPone list >>>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wasn't sure if this had been seen on this list: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:*senderogps-bou...@freelists.org >>>>>>> <mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org> >>>>>>> [mailto:senderogps-bou...@freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Kim Casey >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 4:07 PM >>>>>>> *To:* 'Kim Casey' >>>>>>> *Subject:* Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app free preview, new >>>>>>> 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994. >>>>>>> Almost 20 years of user feedback and feature requests are behind >>>>>>> the design of all Sendero GPS products. The accessible features >>>>>>> in Seeing Eye GPS are only the beginning of what is yet to come >>>>>>> as users help in evolving this first fully accessible GPS >>>>>>> product for the iPhone. To participate in the preview, visit us >>>>>>> at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you a >>>>>>> link for a Test Flight as soon as it is available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Getting around independently is a function of good mobility >>>>>>> tools like a guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like >>>>>>> accessible GPS. Two pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and >>>>>>> Sendero Group have teamed up to provide a fully accessible >>>>>>> turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all the normal navigation >>>>>>> features plus features unique to blind users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important >>>>>>> navigation elements are on the lower portion of every screen, >>>>>>> Route, POIs and Location. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * At intersections, the street name and your direction of travel >>>>>>> are announced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face >>>>>>> orientation of the streets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and >>>>>>> vehicle routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the >>>>>>> turn now indication, continue straight and where the subsequent >>>>>>> turn is located. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically >>>>>>> recalculated and updated turn information is announced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby >>>>>>> with the LookAround Wand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are automatically >>>>>>> announced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more information go to >>>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> New 2013 Sendero products >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to >>>>>>> Sendero PC Maps and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and >>>>>>> ultrabooks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and >>>>>>> Mobile Geo plus much faster POI searches >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not going to CSUN - No problem! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join >>>>>>> in the fun and listen into the following presentations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype >>>>>>> iPhone People Finder App >>>>>>> >>>>>>> March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the Seeing Eye GPS >>>>>>> iPhone App >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just go to: >>>>>>> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 >>>>>>> at the scheduled session time. 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