Hello Bob. Normally I do send messages privately to the individual who
needs a personal moderator note for list behavior. However this is one
of those situations where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I'll explain. If I keep messages private to someone who needs a
moderator message then I get messages from list members asking me why I
haven't dealt with the offender. The reason is because it looks like I'm
not doing anything. Now, if I handle it publicly, then I get a message
on list, instead of privately I might add, about how I'm attacking a
list member and that I should have done it privately. Perhaps you should
have written me privately to follow your own advice? In any case, I
don't like having to put people on list moderation because it generates
more work for me and because I think that most everyone here is an adult
and can conduct themselves accordingly. I could take the extreme
approach and just revoke posting privileges completely, but I don't
choose to go that route either.
Moderating a list can be a tough job because you risk alienating people
when you have to perform your duties. In my business I have to keep good
relationships because I'm in the access technology training field. It's
been suggested that I should not moderate a list whose topic covers what
I teach clients because of a conflict of interest, but I don't see it
that way. I see this list as an overall positive forum with a lot of
good information and good networking for iOS and iThingy users. I love
the iPhone and iOS and want to be a part of a community such as this
list. Since I have list moderating experience and since a moderator was
needed when Cara needed help, I volunteered, and here I am. If you have
a problem with how the list is handled, please write me or Cara Quinn
off list and we will do our best to explain why something was done, or
to fix the problem.
Earlier this week I had to write a message to someone who I consider a
friend to tell him about some list conduct problems. I didn't like doing
that, but it's something I had to do for the good of the list in
general. I could have avoided that and simply moderated his postings,
but I chose to talk to him about it instead. As far as I know things
have worked out just fine. However no one knows about that because I
didn't post about it.
So, why did I write to Bryan publicly? In case you are wondering, it
wasn't to attack him or make an example of him. It was because I want
the list to know that this isn't the kind of behavior we the list owner
and moderator tolerate. This kind of thing has been happening a lot more
of late as you pointed out, and if I keep all of this private, then it
looks like I'm not doing anything about it.
So, again, I'm back at square 1.
Thanks for reading this, and now, let's truly close this topic. If
anyone else has any issues with this, write me or Cara privately. If
anyone doesn't agree with a list decision I've made, write Cara directly
and let her know.
Thank you all.
--
Raul A. Gallegos
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47
On 5/9/2013 8:27 AM, Robert Fenton wrote:
Hello everybody:
I don't usually respond to notes such as this but I am noticing a very
disturbing trend on this list when discussions get heated and the moderators
have to step in. While I generally support the moderators in breaking up the
disputes, some of the tactics being used for doing so only serve to demonstrate
or emulate the behaviors that were problematic in the first place. The note
below is a good example of this problem. In attempting to raise concerns about
behavior that needed to be dealt with where one list member was attacking
others, the moderator used this forum to in turn attack the offender.
Rather than proceeding this way, could the moderators consider sending a
message like the one below solely to the perceived offender while, at the same
time, notifying the rest of the specific infraction, the behavioral standard
that is expected and that the matter has been raised directly with the person
who breached the behavioral standard? That way, other list members can pattern
good behaviors rather than problematic ones in circumstances like this.
Thanks for listening. Bob Fenton
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-05-08, at 9:16 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos" <r...@raulgallegos.com> wrote:
Hello Bryan and everyone else. Let's close this thread now. I've already stated
that I don't think Eileen's original message was done wrong, and so keeping
this discussion going is not really doing anything other than taking up time
and inbox space.
Bryan, someone has already given you the app description which you could have
gotten on your own with the link provided in the original email. So, at least
you have that in case you don't have the skills to follow the link yourself to
get the information. In the future, you might try posting a message which
doesn't come off rude, like what you said to Christopher and to Rick. If you
don't have the skills necessary to follow a link yourself, please say so. If
you just don't have the time, which is what I think you actually said, then
simply erase the message and move on and only read messages from list members
who copy and paste the app description page into their emails.
Upon reading the thread, you specifically said to Christopher:
"hi, no, as i don't have time to play with a phone all day and read what 100s of
apps can do."
That tells me that you have the skills but choose to not invest the time. Then
later to Rick you said:
"that's the attitude i expected when ignorant perceived power users don't give a
squat about others just getting started with their phone!"
So, that right there could be taken as you don't have the skills necessary to
look up app information on your own. maybe Rick intimidated you by his honest
approach. I don't know, so I can't assume. What I do know is that you seem to
be the only one having issues with this. And if you are not, then others who do
are not voicing it out loud on the list and wasting everyone's time.
Thanks, and I hope you had the time to at least read this message.
--
Raul A. Gallegos
Soft kitty, Warm kitty, Little ball of fur. Happy kitty, Sleepy kitty, Purr,
purr, purr. - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47
On 5/8/2013 8:19 PM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
hi,
i didn't initially read more because i was just wanting to know why it
was better than the similar feature already loaded.
think away
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Ingraham"
<lynda.ingra...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Note Master on sale for both the iPhone and iPad
Hi Brian,
I think you are being very rude and disrespectful to the list in
general and
to the individuals who posted the information about Note Master
specifically. I have been a member of this list for approximately four
years. My experience has been excellent. On more than one occasion
when I
have had a problem that I just couldn't figure out, people have
offered to
contact me off list to help. I think if you had expressed your desire to
have someone provide you more information in a polite manner, you
would have
received many more individuals offering assistance. Basically, you
told us,
your time is valuable and that you don't have time to look up information
you are interested in having and that we are all a bunch of power
users that
don't give a squat about helping new people. Please be honest and ask
yourself how interested you would be to respond to a message with this
attitude and tone?
An excellent resource for reading about apps that are voice over
accessible
is applevis.com.
Regards,
Lynda -----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Bryan Schulz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 7:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Note Master on sale for both the iPhone and iPad
that's the attitude i expected when ignorant perceived power users don't
give a squat about others just getting started with their phone!
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Alfaro" <rick.alf...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Note Master on sale for both the iPhone and iPad
totally agree here. the link was included which was enough info. Don't
pay any attention to those that talk about courtesy and seem to have
none themselves and want others to do the work for them. I appreciated
the info and link as well.
Best,
Rick alfaro
On 5/8/2013 1:52 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
Eilleen:
Thanks for the info. I had the lite version and updated. I especially
appreciate that you provided the link so that people could look for
themselves at the features of the app rather than having to rely on
others to do it for them.
On 5/8/13, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nice description. I downloaded the note master light. How
different it
is
from the paid version? just curious. I could not find this info
online.
Cris
Twitter: http://twitter.com/JerusalemBoy
Blog: http://alkarmil.wordpress.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Note Master on sale for both the iPhone and iPad
Did you check out it's features in the App Store? Sure Eileen could
have
included a review of the app, but something like a sale is a time
sensitive issue and not everyone is going to have time to write a
review
of every app they mention on the list. She did provide a ringing
endorsement, which if I didn't already have Note Master, would have
been
enough to encourage me to take a look. As someone who already has Note
Master, I appreciated the timeliness of the message.
Here are some of Note Master's features, as taken from the App Store,
and as Eileen says, the app is quite accessible.
CREATE AMAZING NOTES
Text, Images, Lists, Headers, Photos, Drawings...you'll never be
limited
to boring notes again!
. Images, photos and drawings can be inserted right inside the note.
. Easy creation of bulleted lists, numbered lists, checkbox lists.
. Bold text headings can be used to organize the note contents into
logical sections.
. Choose from a stunning variety of note backgrounds and fonts.
KEEP IN SYNC
. Syncs with either Dropbox or Google Drive.
. AUTOMATIC SYNC when you open or close the app. No need to remember to
manually sync!
. Use the app normally while syncing occurs in the background!
. Notes synced with Dropbox are synced as .docx files and can be edited
with Microsoft Word 2007 or later.
. Notes synced with Google Drive are synced as Google Docs documents
and
can be viewed/edited online.
. Multiple devices running NoteMaster can share notes by syncing with
the same account.
STAY ORGANIZED
. Keep your notes organized with categories.
. Categories can be locked with a passcode for privacy.
. Find notes quickly using the full-text search.
SHARE WITH OTHERS
. E-mail notes as rich HTML e-mails.
. Print note to any AirPrint compatible printer.
. Share notes on Twitter or Facebook (requires iOS 6.0 or later)
Perfect for:
. General note taking . Meetings . Shopping . Journals . Scrapbooks .
Business
On 05/08/2013 11:05 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote:
hi,
when saying this app is great, it would help to say why you like it
and
what it does and why it is better than a similar app that comes
with the
iphone!
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileens Misrahi"
<eileen.misr...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:19 AM
Subject: Note Master on sale for both the iPhone and iPad
Hello Folks,
I thought I would alert the list that Note Master is on sale for both
the iPhone and iPad. The price is 0.99 reduced from 3.99. I use it all
the time when I am traveling for my job. It is accessible with VO and
the most recent update has made the app a pleasure to use. Here is the
link:
http://link.store-news-app.com/2.0/?itunes=https%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2F
us%2Fapp%2Fnotemaster-amazing-notes-synced%2Fid297921531%3Fmt%3D8&storeID=1
Enjoy.
Cheers,
Eileen
Sent from my iPhone
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chaltain at Gmail
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