Offense? No. But general comments are, well, too general. That's why I try to avoid them and be specific or, as somebody once said, calling on my fine command of English, say nothing (LOL).
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 21:37:12 +0100, you wrote: >I can't, and I do not have Nda, so my comments were generalized. Sorry >if you took offence. > >On 26/08/2013 20:21, Steve Matzura wrote: >> You think? Do you have NDA? Can you quote verbatim the paragraphs >> binding him to secrecy which you say he broke? If not, then please do >> us all a favor and get your facts straight, then come back and bash me >> to death if you like. I await your reply. >> >> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:12:34 +0100, you wrote: >> >>> To me I think Sean was breaking the Nda. Apple has never released betas >>> of iOs or Os X as public, and I can't see that changing. I actually am >>> for this and wished other companies would follow suit. This is why even >>> the first go round of Apple's new operating system is so polished. >>> Just my £0.02 worth. >>> >>> >>> On 26/08/2013 18:47, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> I listened to the podcast, and I never heard it stated that this was a >>>> public beta. The podcaster also never explained how he got the beta >>>> himself. Although he acknowledged that there's a lot of information on >>>> IOS 7 available out there on the web, he also admitted that there are >>>> people out there who don't feel information on IOS 7 should be >>>> distributed unless it's done by Apple or until IOS 7 has been released. >>>> It isn't clear to me, after listening to the podcast, whether this is a >>>> public beta or whether an NDA has been violated or not. >>>> >>>> I'm OK with Cara and Raul determining what is and isn't appropriate for >>>> the list. I just think our facts need to be accurate, and we shouldn't >>>> claim things are publicly available or that NDA's haven't been violated >>>> when the source we're pointing to doesn't even address those points. >>>> >>>> BTW, I don't think there's any more dissension in the blindness >>>> community than there is in the general public. We're all people and >>>> anyone can voice an opinion without or without facts to back it up and >>>> the blind don't have a monopoly on this behavior. >>>> >>>> I'm curious, does the 37 messages include the half of dozen messages you >>>> contributed to the thread? Just curious, since I haven't been counting >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> On 08/26/2013 12:11 PM, Steve Matzura wrote: >>>>> I can't believe there were thirty-seven messages written about this >>>>> topic, none of which would have been necessary if anybody had listened >>>>> to the program. Thinking that it was one I hadn't heard before, I >>>>> downloaded it and listened. I got about two minutes into it, and >>>>> realized I had indeed heard it before. If any of you who complained >>>>> about Joseph's having posted this link would have done the same, you >>>>> all would have heard what I heard the first time, and then again just >>>>> now, that this release was already in public beta, there were no >>>>> non-disclosure agreements violated, nothing was being disclosed that >>>>> should not have been, information about it was all over everywhere, >>>>> and that Shawn was simply going to spotlight, if you will, the >>>>> accessibility features that had changed, something that most other >>>>> YouTube videos would doubtfully have covered. All of you people who >>>>> bashed Joseph for posting the link really need to grow up and get your >>>>> facts straight before jumping on your keyboards and writing about >>>>> things of which you know nothing. You wonder why there is so much >>>>> dissention in the blind community about anything at all? It's because, >>>>> while everybody has an opinion, nobody seems to have the facts. >>>>> Opinions are cheap--everybody has one. Facts, now, they're expensive. >>>>> They require thought and research. Exercise the same before bashing >>>>> somebody who tried to do you a favor. >>>>> >>>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
