I know they cost real money right now. THe one thing I see happening is that 
the apps will eventually force the hardware manufacturers to realize that they 
need to lower the price or go out of business. 

A case for this is the dedicated currency readers. Those used to cost more than 
$400 and now you can get one for less than $100 (the iBill). THis was a direct 
result of the look-tell money reader app. I have both and I use both, though 
the app is easier to use in a busy environment (such as shopping). The iBill 
does have one feature that I think they are still having a problem with on the 
look-tell app: it can easily tell the difference between counterfeit and real 
currency.


oh yeah, I use my braille sense as a GPS navigation tool as the Sendaro 
software includes network updated maps. Its not just my note taker and braille 
reader. Now if I can just find some ham radio apps that would work in windows 
CE, then I would have a nice Ham radio shack and not have to use a desktop 
computer. :)

-eric

On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

> Regarding limited incomes... Add up the amount of money spent on your 
> blindness related hardware and compare that to the cost of comparable IOS 
> apps. I'm sure you will find that the hardware devices for the blind will 
> costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars where the apps are a few dollars 
> here and there.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "eric oyen" <eric.o...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
> 
> 
> yes, assuming one can afford such a device on a limited income. The other 
> devices I have courtesy of the CCB (as a contract for the state of arizona 
> vocational rehabilitation services).
> 
> I happen to be an iPhone user/owner myself and like that it does have all 
> these apps available. However, some of them just don't work as well as 
> discrete devices do. For instance, navigon has an interface that is more 
> complicated than it needs to be, and the look-tell money reader requires a 
> background source of light to be useful. The color detector app also needs 
> ambient light to function whereas the stand alone light detector device uses 
> a low power laser. Each device and app have their pros and cons. Me, 
> personally, I would rather have the backup device in case the iPhone gets 
> broken or stolen (which happens more than anyone realizes). Also, the 
> available bar code scanner app for the iPhone (red laser) isn't accessible 
> (it requires someone to see the view finder display to make sure the barcode 
> is centered). So, having the bar code reader (ID Mate) is far more useful.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:
> 
>> Unless one uses an extended battery and this issue of battery life is no
>> longer an issue.
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "eric oyen" <eric.o...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>> 
>> 
>> there are advantages to using a separate device.
>> Chief among these is battery life on the iPhone. Playing media sucks down
>> battery like an old drunk on a bender. Its the same with other apps that
>> have discrete devices (trekker breeze, color detector and barcode reader).
>> all of these devices are specially designed for that one task. Its been my
>> experience that iPhone apps are fine in a pinch, but when you want
>> reliability without sacrificing battery life, its better to have the extra
>> devices on hand.
>> 
>> Sure, its convenient to have all your functions and technology in one
>> device, but it that device breaks, you are out a whole lot more than just 
>> a
>> phone.
>> 
>> Just something to keep in mind.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, it's the official app from NLS so we can read books downloaded from
>>> BARD on our iDevices. Between this app, the Kindle app, the Nook app, and
>>> Voice Dream Reader or Read2Go for BookShare books, it's hard to imagine
>>> why
>>> one would need devices like the Stream or BookSense but I'm sure some may
>>> still prefer using a separate device. This is my plan so I will be
>>> upgrading
>>> to the 64gb version of the 5s so I have no issues with space.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Alan Paganelli
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:58 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following this thread.  Is this an app which will let you
>>> listen to NLS talking books on an iPhone for example?
>>> -------
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
>>> 
>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>> 
>>> Please click on:
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
>>> on
>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
>>> my
>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Scott Rumery" <blindfait...@gmail.com>
>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 7:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I
>>>> know that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very
>>>> log
>>> 
>>>> time for it.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Rumery
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton <bill32...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.
>>>>> 
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