Wow. I don't read the terms but it's sure common sense. And wow that's not very good about the Youtube app on Android using features without your explicit permission.

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On 21/10/2013 04:52, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
If you read the agreement, you will notice that you agree that apple can 
download updates to your phone whenever they need to.
And why is it you don't seem to mind microsoft downloading updates to your 
computer whether you want them or not?
Isn't that a double standard?
How many of you didn't ask for internet explorer nine or ten, but got it anyway?
It amazes me the people who have nothing else in their lives to do other than 
to whine about something they agreed to.
Thank goodness you don'w own an android and have the youtube app. In the 
agreement, you agree that they can turn on your camera or microphone any time 
they wish without your permission or consent.
Perhaps instead of pressing the agree button, you should actually read the 
agreement.
After all, why would anyone want the new voiceover features in IOS 7 anyway?

On Oct 19, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Chris.
Well, I don't think that the only who has right to feel this issue of download 
the IOs without agreement is a violation is the people with iPhones or iDevices 
of 8  or 16 GB.
What could happen if you use the property of Bill Gates to store your things, 
without his agreement?
What could happen to you, if you place a car in the Bill gates parking lot, in 
his little home in Washington State?
For sure he has a big parking lot, for sure he has a lot of properties. Now, 
because of that he should feel that you did is not a illegal action?
For sure he will take legal actions against you. In the laws of United States, 
the property right is one of the fundamentals right in our constitution, and it 
is a right in the most countries on the world.
What apple is doing, is using the resources of our devices, downloading bunches 
of data, storing it in the memory of our devices, without our agreement. No 
body can use your property without your agreement. More over, is no way to 
remove the data that apple stored in our devices, unless we install the 
operated system.
Try to place a car in the Bill Gate parking lot, and keep it there until Bill 
Gates buy your car. Tell Bill Gates that you will not remove your car of his 
parking lot, until he pay you for that car, and tell me what happen.
The law should be apply for every body, not just with the people who is not 
rich. The law is also for the people who is braking rights, not matter if they 
are apple, Bill Gates or Chris.
So, the problem here is not if our iDevices are of 8 or 64Gb. The point here is 
that apple is violating a right of property, and not providing a solution for 
the people who doesn't want to install IOs what ever version they release. When 
I say it, I mean, not providing a way to remove the data stored in the iDevices.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris H" <christopher...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tim Cook Being Sued over Automatic iOS 7 Updates


Hope this goes well, but I still believe in the notion that one is not
actually forced into the update; they are just forced to have it
downloaded to their device and take, to some, a considerable amount of
space on their device. I can understand this being an issue for 8 GB and
16 GB devices, but for the rest of you, deal with it and maybe you will
install it in your own time. Remember, the update is only downloaded,
not installed, to one's device, since one have to agree to the terms of
conditions not once, but twice. If the update got installed
automatically, then yes I would support the man suing Tim Cook. But not
sure on this case.

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On 19/10/2013 06:57, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Given the extensive discussion here about Apple downloading automatic updates 
to devices, I thought some might be interested to know that a number of news 
outlets are reporting that a California man is taking Tim Cook to Small Claims 
Court over this issue. He's asking for $50 in compensation and for Apple to 
address the issue, so he's obviously not doing this to get rich.
It will be very interesting to see where this goes.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


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