I, too, am unclear what you mean when you talk about a human-generated message. The status cell is supposed to let you know, via certain dot positions, of things such as new messages, notifications, the screen curtain being on or off, speech being on or off, etc. i'm not quite sure what the expanded status does, but I presume that that have to do with things such as telling you whom has just sent you a text message, or the text of an app's notification, etc. In any case, I don't know why they're not working for you. Sorry I can't help. I might just test things out on my Brailliant BI 32, though. I'll definitely be rereading the post on AppleVis about the status cell and what each dot position means.
Thanks, Ari > On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:27 AM, "Flor Lynch" <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: > > When I googled on this, last night, I couldn't find much more enlightening. > There is (or was) a Google group called Applebraille. (And some members of > this list will have known of it.) I came across references to it in google > searching. I believe that in the To: line you would put: > applebraille+subscr...@googlegroups.com - if joining it. > > Also, you could try J. M., he of FS, the famous Consulting, and of > appcessible.net >. he uses braille extensively, and probably Focus Blue > displays. Inn my iOS tyro experience, even some of the buttons on the focus14 > blue are somewhat superflluous in iPhone/iOS in that they duplicate > functionalities already catered for by others more main. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Teresa Cochran > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:27 PM > Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking > Information > > WEll, if exmanded status is supposed to show something, I figured I was > either not immlementing it correctly or there's a bug. > > Teresa > > "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with > the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks > >> On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:49 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: >> >> Hi Teresa, >> >> Almost precisely! It is *not* a human-generated message, but software >> generated. So the developer put nothing more into it, it seems to me. There >> are a few other situations on iPhone where this occurs. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Teresa Cochran >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:11 AM >> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >> Information >> >> Hi, Flor, >> >> I lost you somewhere when you mentioned it being a human-generated message. >> I am not even sure what you mean by that. The expanded status message just >> shows more information about the Braille being displayed. The only human >> factor involved would be whatever the developer put into that feature. So I >> think I'm basically thoroughly confused. >> >> Teresa >> >> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >> >>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry I had worded the part in my message Re: the Focus14 blue and status >>> cells poorly. What the Focus14 blue doesn't have, is the "Navrow" of >>> buttons that the 40 blue does have. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Flor Lynch >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >>> Information >>> >>> That 'expanded status' message is then probably just a generic message, as >>> I would call it, a message generated by software rather than by a human. I >>> have sometimes found that so-called help (also in iOS) is still only >>> helpful in a technical sense. For example, You might have WiFi turned on, >>> but that doesn't mean that you're connected to your Wifi network. I have a >>> Focus14 Blue (paired with my iPhone) which doesn't have the navrow of >>> buttons, and also a Focus40 Blue (that does), which I haven't paired with >>> my iPhone but use with PC mostly though also sometimes with laptop. . >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Teresa Cochran >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:52 PM >>> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >>> Information >>> >>> I'm not sure. It's a Focus 40 Blue. There isn't a hardware setting for >>> status cells, but in iOS, it's a Voiceover setting. I set it to "left" and >>> it does show a cell with dots on the left. i have looked up the m,ning of >>> the dots on Applevis and found out what each one means. However, VO doesn't >>> display or speak the expanded descriptions of the status, as the VO help >>> would seem to indicate. >>> >>> Teresa >>> >>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote: >>>> >>>> But does VoiceOver know them as 'status cells'? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Teresa Cochran >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Braille: Expanded Status Description Not Showing Or Speaking >>>> Information >>>> >>>> Oh, but I want to experiment with the status cells. I'd like to know what >>>> kind of information it provides. I have a 40-cell display, so that's not >>>> an issue. >>>> >>>> Teresa >>>> >>>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing >>>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks >>>> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps it is similar to the status cells when using the display with >>>>> a Windows or Mac screen reader. I never bothered with those status >>>>> messages too much, and even turned the status cells off. Besides, if >>>>> you have a smallish display, every cell counts when showing >>>>> information. >>>>> >>>>> Wayne >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/21/14, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> Expanded status indicates things like Voiceover muting, screen cchrtain, >>>>>> and >>>>>> I believe text attributes, though I'm not entirely sure about that last >>>>>> one. >>>>>> Teresa >>>>>> "We're made of star stuff."--Carl Sagan >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy >>>>>>> <hayasim...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I saw that in the keyboard help when I pressed the first router key to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> left with the same results. This left me wondering what an expanded >>>>>>> status >>>>>>> was. >>>>>>> Haya Simkin & guide dog Pammy >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2014, at 04:19, Teresa Cochran <batsfly...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, all, >>>>>>> I was exploring the status functions with my Focus 40 Blue. 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