I asked earlier why are people choosing to get the audio pass when the pro 
football radio is available and it is accessible?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerr...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: NFL Mobile


Okay, so now I know how to get Audio Pass to listen to my favorite
team's live games on my iPhone. Here is my question: if I get Audio
Pass to listen to live games from my favorite team, can I also listen
to other live NFL games too? Or, would that require that I buy a
separate Audio Pass for each team that I want to hear games for?

Many thanks,
Wayne

On 8/12/14, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
> I have emailed support and have received the automated response with 
> ticket
> information. Will post to the lists if/when I get concrete information 
> about
> these problems.
>
> --
> Cheryl
>
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2014, at 1:41 AM, SoonerAnnie <sooneran...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> I just did the same thing Cheryl. LOL!
>>
>> Ann
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cheryl Homiak
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: NFL Mobile
>>
>> I believe you don't need to log in if you purchased audiopass via the
>> in-app purchase. If you are using more than one i-device, you may have to
>> run restore purchases in settings on your additional devices. The sroblem
>> for those of us who purchased audiopass in another way appears to be that
>> the linkage isn't working unless you bought the sass through itunes even
>> if you think you've managed to sign in--at least tS what happened to me.
>> Despite saying I wasn't going to do this, I then bought the audiopass
>> again through the iTunes Store from in the app and now I am having no
>> problem. I am going to try to get NFL to refund me but I realize I knew
>> what I was doing when I did the re-purchase so I really have no grounds 
>> to
>> -plain if they don't refund me but I wanted to use this on my i-devices
>> and I wanted to get to the bottom of the problem. I then ran restore
>> purchases in the nfl settings on another device and this worked  so I
>> think you will have no need to log in.
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Robin Frost <robinn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Hope no one minds me chiming in as I took the plunge tonight and
>>> purchased the pass via the in app purchase.  Now my question is do I 
>>> need
>>> to log in somewhere as it didn't ask me at any point to create any user
>>> name password or the like it did confirm that my purchase was successful
>>> and returned me to the initial screen of the app.
>>> thanks for enlightening a first time user.
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Homiak
>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:27 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: NFL Mobile
>>>
>>> Hey all, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings and I hope this isn't
>>> happening to everybody. I just discovered that even though I was able to
>>> sign in to my audiopass acount the other day by reinstalling the app, it
>>> now doesn't apparently acknowledge me as signed in and only provides a
>>> purchase button and not a log in option. I tried going both through
>>> settings and through schedules and this was the result both ways. It did
>>> show me as signed in the other day after I reinstalled and logged in. Of
>>> course I will be contacting support about this issue. I have no 
>>> intention
>>> of buying my pass a second time.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheryl
>>>
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>> thrown in the trash!
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind,
>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>> never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All right, but you don't have to wait until a game is on to subscribe.
>>>> There is also a path to do this through settings. In fact, that was the
>>>> problem many of us were having; in settings there was a purchase button
>>>> but not a sign-in button until we reinstalled.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, you definitely can subscribe on the Mac as well as the PC or 
>>>> an
>>>> i-device; I wouldn't know about other devices so I am not going to add
>>>> to the confusion by stating my uninformed opinion. I have been
>>>> subscribing to and listening to games for years on my Mac.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheryl
>>>>
>>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>>> thrown in the trash!
>>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>>>> And now, every day:
>>>> "This I call to mind,
>>>> and therefore I have hope:
>>>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>>>> never ceases;
>>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>>> they are new every morning;
>>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I subscribed to NFL AudioPass on my PC, but I'm pretty sure you can
>>>>> also subscribe to it through an in app purchase on the NFL Mobile App.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) If you bring up the NFL Mobile App, you can double tap on the menu
>>>>> button at the top of the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Now double tap on the Schedules button. I find this by sliding my
>>>>> finger down the left hand side of the screen. Swiping doesn't always
>>>>> seem to get me there.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Double tap on the game you want to hear.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Double tap on the Replay button, and you'll be asked if you want to
>>>>> purchase an in app subscription for NFL AudioPass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that last season you could only use the NFL Mobile App to listen
>>>>> to currently streaming games. I'm not sure if this has changed this
>>>>> season or not. On your PC, you can listen to any games, current or
>>>>> past, for the current season.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/11/2014 05:41 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>> You can not subscribe to Field Pass through the NFL Mobile app.  The
>>>>>> following link will take you to the page where you can subscribe,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> listen on the pc.  It uses flash for listening on the pc, so I don't
>>>>>> know what would happen if you tried to listen on a Mac.  You
>>>>>> allegedly
>>>>>> can link this field pass account to your NFL Mobile app.  I did this
>>>>>> last year, this year, I couldn't get that far.     I just checked,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> in my opinion, the pricing for Field Pass definitely is going in the
>>>>>> wrong direction, $29.95 through January 9, or $39.95 through the end
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the season.  I got it through the end of the season for $29.95, I
>>>>>> guess,
>>>>>> because I subscribed last year, they probably will hit me up for the
>>>>>> $39.95 one next year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> https://audiopass.nfl.com/nflap/secure/packages?ttv=0
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Paganelli"
>>>>>> <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>
>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 12:32 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: NFL Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, I must be stupid because I cannot find on the NFL Mobile app
>>>>>> anywhere to
>>>>>> subscribe to the audio pass.  Unless it isn't available for AT&T
>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act
>>>>>> now!!!!!
>>>>>> Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please click on:
>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
>>>>>> There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
>>>>>> played on
>>>>>> the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly
>>>>>> on my
>>>>>> website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
>>>>>> <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: NFL Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the NFL has . You can get the radio broadcasts of the NFL games
>>>>>> for the season for $20. There are other packages available as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you asking about the NHL though, since you mention hockey?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/10/2014 07:01 PM, Gail the U. S. Male wrote:
>>>>>>> Does the NFL have a reasonable audio only subscription? I couldn't
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> any info on this last year, and the hockey season is fast
>>>>>>> approaching!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>  *From:* Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>  *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>  *Cc:* Rich Ring <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>  *Sent:* Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:59 PM
>>>>>>>  *Subject:* Re: NFL Mobile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  MLB has made a truly VO friendly app for listening to baseball. NHL
>>>>>>>  game center is also fairly good, however,  NFL Mobile and NBA Game
>>>>>>>  time are simply dreadful!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>  Fielding
>>>>>>>    Sent from my Mac Book Pro
>>>>>>>  richr...@gmail.com <mailto:richr...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Aug 10, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>  <chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  No damper at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Yeah, I reported the two problems I've seen with the NFL Mobile
>>>>>>>>  App, both the problem where I couldn't sign into my NFL AudioPass
>>>>>>>>  account and the problem where I couldn't select my favorite team.
>>>>>>>>  I haven't heard back from them yet, but I didn't submit those
>>>>>>>>  issues until recently, since the contact form on the web site is a
>>>>>>>>  bit problematic. They were pretty responsive last season when I
>>>>>>>>  reported a few issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On 08/10/2014 10:25 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I don't mean to put a damper on this topic, but has anyone tried
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>  contact them about the various issues you are experiencing?
>>>>>>>>> Simply
>>>>>>>>>  saying "they could work on the accessibility of the app" won't
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>  anywhere, especially if they have no idea of what could need
>>>>>>>>>  fixing, or
>>>>>>>>>  even about VoiceOver in general. You can submit feedback to them
>>>>>>>>>  directly from the app, so I'd strongly encourage all to do so..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Aug 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Christopher Chaltain
>>>>>>>>>  <chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  I guess I got lucky. I came up with the Dolphins, which is my
>>>>>>>>>>  favorite
>>>>>>>>>>  team.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On 8/9/2014 9:59 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>  Same experience here, right down to the Jaguars.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Andy
>>>>>>>>>>>  *From:*Nicki Keck <mailto:jesusgir...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  *Sent:*Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>  *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  *Subject:*RE: NFL Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>  I had to reinstall the app as well and can't select my favorite
>>>>>>>>>>>  team
>>>>>>>>>>>  either.  I have the exact same problem.  It selected the
>>>>>>>>>>> jaguars as
>>>>>>>>>>>  my favorite team.  The jaguars!  Gese  I really want the
>>>>>>>>>>>  Eagles, but
>>>>>>>>>>>  the least it could have done is select the bucs, not the
>>>>>>>>>>> jaguars.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Makes no logical sense.  I planned on having my husband with
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>  limited sight try to see if he could select it for me later,
>>>>>>>>>>> but if
>>>>>>>>>>>  someone has a better way, I'd be very happy.  You can get back
>>>>>>>>>>>  to it
>>>>>>>>>>>  in settings, but you still can't select one.
>>>>>>>>>>>  *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On
>>>>>>>>>>>  Behalf Of*Cheryl Homiak
>>>>>>>>>>>  *Sent:*Monday, August 04, 2014 11:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>  *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  *Subject:*Re: NFL Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>  Well, I guess this is progress but I'm not happy yet! I
>>>>>>>>>>>  re-downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>  the app and was finally able to sign in but now it has me down
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>  the Ravens as my favorite team and when I try to change it
>>>>>>>>>>>  there are
>>>>>>>>>>>  no choices: it just says select your favorite team and has a
>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>  to pick another team to follow and has a "done" button. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>  press allows me to change my favorite team.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Btw on the ipad I was able to sign in without reinstalling the
>>>>>>>>>>> app.
>>>>>>>>>>>  It was on the main page but was was some other information I
>>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>  click "got it" for before the sign in button would work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     --
>>>>>>>>>>>     Cheryl
>>>>>>>>>>>     I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>>>>>>>>>>     I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the
>>>>>>>>>>> trash!
>>>>>>>>>>>     Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>>>>>>>>>>     His joy for my despairing tears!
>>>>>>>>>>>     And now, every day:
>>>>>>>>>>>     "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>>>>>>>>>>     The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>>>>>>>>>>     his mercies never come to an end;
>>>>>>>>>>>     they are new every morning;
>>>>>>>>>>>     great is your faithfulness."
>>>>>>>>>>>     (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  On Aug 4, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Peter Logan <pdlloga...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:pdlloga...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     No ... if you have an "audio pass" subscription ... then it
>>>>>>>>>>>  works
>>>>>>>>>>>     for other providers .. I have At&T.
>>>>>>>>>>>     I had to delete the app .. and reinstall ...  however, when
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>     do this you will first have to choose your favorite team ..
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>     screen isn't accessible ...
>>>>>>>>>>>     Then if I remember correctly .. when you got to the settings
>>>>>>>>>>>     screen you will have the choice for already having a
>>>>>>>>>>>  subscription
>>>>>>>>>>>     and entering your user and password ..  It's a little
>>>>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>>>>>     ...  but once you get it .. you should be good to go ..
>>>>>>>>>>>     They definitely could work on the accessibility of the app
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:04 AM, "Kliphton Senior"
>>>>>>>>>>>     <m.kliph...@gmail.com<mailto:m.kliph...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:m.kliph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         That is only for Verizon customers right?
>>>>>>>>>>>         Frustrated with your I-device, Mac or AppleTV?  New
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>>>>>>>>>>>         want quickEfficient answers?  Then come join a list
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>>>>>>>>>>>         questions are always answered, and we are always patient
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>>>>>>>>>>>         All are welcome!
>>>>>>>>>>>         *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On
>>>>>>>>>>>         Behalf Of*Cheryl Homiak
>>>>>>>>>>>         *Sent:*Sunday, August 03, 2014 9:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>         *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>>>>  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>         *Subject:*NFL Mobile
>>>>>>>>>>>         Has anybody figured out where to enter audiopass
>>>>>>>>>>>  subscription
>>>>>>>>>>>         information this year on the NFL mobile app. All I find
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>         settings is the option to purchase and if I choose
>>>>>>>>>>> listen
>>>>>>>>>>>         that is also where it takes me. It has to be hiding
>>>>>>>>>>>  somewhere
>>>>>>>>>>>         here in plain sight but I can't find it.
>>>>>>>>>>>         --
>>>>>>>>>>>         Cheryl
>>>>>>>>>>>         I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>>>>>>>>>>         I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>>>>>>>>>>>         thrown in the trash!
>>>>>>>>>>>         Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>>>>>>>>>>         His joy for my despairing tears!
>>>>>>>>>>>         And now, every day:
>>>>>>>>>>>         "This I call to mind,
>>>>>>>>>>>         and therefore I have hope:
>>>>>>>>>>>         The steadfast love of the Lord
>>>>>>>>>>>         never ceases;
>>>>>>>>>>>         his mercies never come to an end;
>>>>>>>>>>>         they are new every morning;
>>>>>>>>>>>         great is your faithfulness."
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