I hope you explained that Light Detector and Money Reader are not working on your phone, that you know also they don't work on some other phones but that they work just fine on many others. The same goes for some of the other stuff you said. SIRI sends text messages for me just as good as always with the slight exception that sometimes it cuts off and I have to tap on Send instead of SIRI asking me to send it, but the actual part of dictating it seems to work just fine for me on my 5S.
I don't want to make light of the issues and bugs which exist in iOS 8, but I think it's important that people realize how inconsistent some of this stuff is. That in itself I think is one of the biggest bugs out there. If Light Detector just didn't work for anybody then maybe the developer could release an update and it would be fine, but it does work for many if not most and only for some it seems to be a problem just as is the case with money reader and even other apps which require access to the camera such as Camfind. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: One way Apple could better test its products With an iPhone 5, I've just tried to send 10 text messages using Voice Over and Siri. Less than half went out successfully. When I turned Voice Over off and repeated the same experiment with a sighted watcher, everything worked the way it should. If I had just bought this phone and had no choice about whether to use IOS8.x, I would have returned that phone. I just spent the morning trying to change ringtones. The ringtone I wanted was number 8. I listened to 10 or so ringtones in the 20s and 30s. When I tried to get back to my original tone, I was kicked out to the home screen. This happened 4 times. Then I got a sighted friend to try to find the tone with Voice Over turned off and there was No problem. I tried it later with it enabled and the same problem again. This is not a workable set up. Yes, I have called the accessibility hotline and reported everything here plus the unusability of Light Detector and the money identifyer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett" <brettst...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:47 PM Subject: RE: One way Apple could better test its products Hi, Yes, anyone can pay the fee, sign the NDA and participate. However, lack of beta testers doesn't seem to be the issue here, as a few beta testers on this list have said that bugs reported at the beginning of the beta cycle had not been addressed when iOS8 went live. Therefore, it seems their work has largely been ignored, or at least not given any kind of priority. It appears that since Jobsy died, there has been a shift in the priority of accessibility, specifically when it comes to quality control. Although it can also be argued that quality control has become an issue across the entire Apple echo-system since Jobsy died. Apple made its name and reputation by producing products and computers that "just worked". Their reputation for things that "Just work", now appears to be diminishing, if you look at the issues surrounding the last couple of Mac and iOS releases. Although Android and Windows aren't in the same ballpark when it comes to accessibility, we don't seem to see the same amount of issues being publically discussed after their last release. Being someone who works in the testing area, I am aware that projects are always constrained by timelines and budgets and a perfect release is a mith, but when the problems are beginning to damage your reputation, you need to way that risk against timelines and budgets and I think apple definitely got this one wrong and didn't learn from the Apple maps fiasco. While external beta testers are useful, the most is gained by internal testers who have a direct line in to the developers and the developers themselves undertaking quality assurance as part of the development cycle. Developers should be catching the significant bugs before they even reach the internal testers, let alone the external ones. It appears that Apple has now prioritized new features over stability and quality control, which is a divergence from their past operating model. I don't think that Apple has abandoned accessibility, as they continue to introduce new features that do benefit people, such as onboard braille and the Speak-screen tool for low vision users, amongst numerous others. The problem is that these features are becoming less usable due to their buggy implementation. I wasn't going to comment on this and similar threads, because too many fan-boys are brainwashed by apples marketing campains and would defend Apple even if they took VoiceOver out of iOS9, Smile. We hear arguments that we are a minority and Apple don't make any money out of us, therefore we should be prepared to accept bugs and give Apple some leeway for poor quality control. But I bet that these people would not accept the minority argument they are putting forth, if they were denied entry in to a restaurant with their guide-dog, because they were a minority and most people would like to eat without a dog staring at them, slobbering and sheading hair everywhere. Yes I am being a bit sarcastic here, but we haven't made the gains in society for minorities by passively sitting back and encouraging discrimination, which apple fan-people appear happy to do. So there's my 2C worth! I am not going to comment any further, as we are probably getting off-topic, but I will be watching with interest to see if quality control improves, since that's what their reputation is baced upon, or if we are seeing a slow demise where Google and Windows will see more prominence. Cheers, Brett. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 1:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: One way Apple could better test its products The only requirement to be a beta tester for iOS is 'a $99 per year developer account fee. Anybody can sign up and pay the fee and sign the NDA (non-disclosure agreement)" David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Sep 2014, at 19:29, RobH. <bobs...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I think anybody can apply to be a tester, though there's bound to be > requirements, like technical skill, or adventurous enough to dig in it > all to really test, and feedback in a coherent way. > > Rh. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "connie mohney" <conniemoh...@sbcglobal.net> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: One way Apple could better test its products > > > It is to bad apple could not hire people with different disabilities. > The people could either work at apple itself or work from home. The > employees from disability support could be asked to get people's > contact info so those people could be IOS testers. > Connie > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, "Charles Rivard" <wee1s...@fidnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> One day?? That would be nowhere near long enough. How well were you >> able to use the iPhone after 1 day? >> >> I think that a good source of information on testing would be the >> people who take calls on the phone number that especially for those >> who are handicapped. I'm thinking that they would have a better feel >> for our difficulties in using the devices than any of the other tech reps. >> >> --- >> Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're >> finished, you! really! are! finished! >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Ewers" >> <neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:56 PM >> Subject: One way Apple could better test its products >> >> >> Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on >> using VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember >> when Microsoft touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated >> totally with keyboard shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, >> it's not the same thing, but I think people who want to develop >> products for people with differing abilities should, perhaps, have to >> walk a while in their shoes. 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