I need to get whatever Verizon link your using. We have multiple trunks with them (SIP & SS7) in Europe and as of late it's been hit or miss.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jared Geiger <ja...@compuwizz.net> wrote: > If you're using Thinq for international and don't want to deal with LCR > and generating rates for just a small amount of traffic, build a Verizon > International only trunk with them and push all your traffic out there. You > probably won't run into many issues. The slightly higher rates will be > easier than dealing with the management headaches. Verizon does a really > good job about keeping FAS out from the areas I've used them on. > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Shripal Daphtary <shrip...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> this is all so annoying b/c we do so little international, >> >> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 1:57 PM Jared Geiger <ja...@compuwizz.net> wrote: >> >>> Another annoyance to watch out for is all codes from various carriers >>> won't match up. For example UK Landlines. Some carriers will say country >>> code 44 is landlines and give you a rate, then break out 447XXX for the >>> mobiles. Others will give a rate for 441 and 442. Then some will give a >>> rate for 442, 4420, 44203, 44207 or some combination of those which they >>> should all end up being compressed to 442. So your LCR has to do the >>> longest prefix match per carrier and then compare against carriers. Not >>> necessarily shortest prefix match. For example: >>> >>> Number dialed: 44-20-7499-9000 >>> Carrier A: 44 - 0.0025 >>> Carrier B: 442 - 0.0045 >>> Carrier C: 44207 - 0.0085 >>> >>> The obvious LCR is carrier A, but the last time I tested A2Billing, it >>> would say Carrier C is the winner because the rest of the carriers don't >>> have a rate for 44207. The other LCR option at the time would do shortest >>> prefix match which could cause issues with mobile calls being incorrectly >>> routed and rated. Things may have changed as my experience with A2Billing >>> was many years ago, but it should apply to LCR calculations in general. >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:24 AM Shripal Daphtary <shrip...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Paul and Dovid -- >>>> >>>> I guess the question is what if i get a completion for the most >>>> expensive carrier as opposed to the cheapest, and it turns out i'm >>>> underwater? The issue is the variance btw carrier1 (cheapest) and carrier6 >>>> (most expensive) could be 40 cents at times or more. >>>> >>>> I'll take a look at GCS and R&R as well >>>> >>>> We have an implementation of a2 billing to route international, but use >>>> it mostly to limit fraud exposure. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM Paul Stamoulis < >>>> pstamou...@onestoptel.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Int’l rating and routing is not for the feint of heart or the hurried >>>>> – 215k of unique rating/routing options or “breakouts” as known in the >>>>> industry, is not too bad. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can use MS excel if you have the time to continually update and >>>>> are familiar with excel macros but remember that rate updates come at >>>>> least >>>>> 5once or twice a week with most vendors so times that by the number of >>>>> vendors and be ready to update-update-update or else you can lose money. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You may be better off either purchasing specialized SW or using one of >>>>> the many cloud based companies to manage your rates for you; GCS is one >>>>> such company in the USA and R&R is another – I have no relations with >>>>> either company but I hear that they are both decent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You should try to use all 6 carriers because, you are going to find >>>>> that when one of the cheaper vendors does NOT work to one of the >>>>> breakouts, >>>>> then usually the other cheap vendors do NOT either. That’s when you need >>>>> to >>>>> be 6 or more routes deep or risk upsetting clients. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as the mark-up on rates, don’t sweat that too much round up and >>>>> have a larger markup for the cheaper rates. For retial certainly , you >>>>> should have more than enough room and for wholesale int’l sales, well >>>>> that’s a whole other subject that gets much more complex… good luck, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Paul Stamoulis +1 212 444 3003 Onestopcorp – thousands of >>>>> technology solutions... just one call!* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Please connect at >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/ >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-stamoulis-56504531/>* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* VoiceOps <voiceops-boun...@voiceops.org> *On Behalf Of *Shripal >>>>> Daphtary >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 10:10 AM >>>>> *To:* VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>>> *Subject:* [VoiceOps] Creating an International Rate Deck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey group, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have a question that I have been struggling with for years and have >>>>> never come up with a good solution for. It revolves around International >>>>> Rate Deck creation, but i guess it could be for any tariff. We have >>>>> multiple carriers for International, however, i'm trying out Thinq right >>>>> now so we can use their LCR. Our other carriers aren't very successful >>>>> with Intl. Thinq's rate deck to me is 6 carriers for each prefix, making >>>>> it around 215,000 lines. The carrier(s) that have the lowest cost for each >>>>> prefix varies, so i can't turn off the most expensive three or something >>>>> like that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking of taking the least expensive 3 carriers and then >>>>> averaging them and creating my rate from that average and then only allow >>>>> Thinq to go 3 carriers deep. Does anyone have any experience with this? >>>>> Are there any best practices? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The second part of the question is how does one calculate the profit >>>>> margin? Let's say you wanted to make 35% for retail and 20% for >>>>> wholesale, >>>>> but if you call UK landline, the cost is only 0.004. Your rate would be >>>>> 0.0054 for retail and 0.0048, which is nothing. We have been doing >>>>> something like If your cost is less than 0.03, then increase by 35% or 20% >>>>> or whatever. however, that doesn't always work if the cost is super close >>>>> to your target. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any hard and fast rules that they use when creating >>>>> decks? is there software that can help my puny brain think through this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shri >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> VoiceOps mailing list >>>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> >> _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >
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