Actually, I think this is due to the fact that you probably DON'T have the NAS set up in your client definitions. You've got a RadiusServer between you and the NAS, but the accounting packets actually define for you the NAS into which the user is calling.
The scenario is this:
[Caller] -> [NAS] -> [GP Radius] -> [Your Radius]
The [GP Radius] is reporting to you the IP of the NAS that's actually handling the call. You've defined [GP Radius] to your Radius server, since it's the one sending you packets, but you haven't defined the actual [NAS] since you don't have a list of those. Even if you did, what benefit would you get from giving the NAS a name? You've got the IP address in case you need to track down a problem.
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Brad Johnson wrote:
Hmmm, got to be a VopRadius issue then … wouldn’t you think?
Brad Johnson
Systems Administrator
Local Link Network Operations
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Yes - I get N/A too. On the END records, though, the NAS name shows up as the client name as it's set up in the client definitions.
Thanks, Ramsey
At 12:30 PM 5/21/2004, you wrote:
Do you get “N/A” rather than your configured NAS Name in your online users listing for GP user? I’m getting that now …. Can’t see why.
Brad Johnson
Systems Administrator
Local Link Network Operations
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We use a different user name for "national customers"
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We don't list Global Pops numbers where we have our own.
We buy ports, not accounts. BTW GP also does total time limits over a rolling 30 day period for you if you like.
CF
Cary
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And… ?
Your NAS users have a different profile and can’t travel … or can, but not to a GP number?
Your GP users can’t use your NAS … or can but can login several times?
I’m trying to understand in what scenario this would be a solution.
Brad Johnson
Systems Administrator
Local Link Network Operations
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Yes, we do.
Cary
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Heh, do you even have any of your own NAS? If so, do you allow multiple logins on those to, or do you restrict your users from traveling with their account?
If your suggestion was any kind of solution for me (or most of us for that matter) this thread wouldn’t have lived as long as it has.
Brad Johnson
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Local Link Network Operations
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Give them a profile that allows multiple logins and let Global Pops handle limits.
("I keep saying this,over, and over and over.")
Cary Fitch
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The exact scenario that we get from GP is this:
User connects, everything is just fine.
They disconnect gracefully.
I look in my radius and they are still there, so the next time they try to log on they get invalid user and or pass.
Until I actually delete them from VOP Radius they cannot log back on.
This really makes it hard to sustain a nationwide presence or to recommend to our customers leaving the area to stay with us on our outside dial-ups.
There has to be a cure somewhere, somehow. LOL
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GlobalPops position on all the watchdog/stop packet info is that theyare UDP and there can be losses with no notification.
That is true but I see watchdog packets as another way to limit abuse, not a 100% sure method.
Their ultimate ghosting and over use protection is from the logon callerID. But not the caller ID that consumers get, the one internal to Telecom >Companies. It can't be blocked.
Hmm, where does that internal caller ID come from that, and does it get passed to the NAS and onto the radius. That sounds very close to the port method that Aleron uses.
If there are logons from the same number simultaniously, that is a ghostand the old one is "killed". If they are from different numbers that is "abuse" and it >is allowed to a limit... with abusers duplicate (trust) privledges removed once they are a demonstrated abuser. (So many occurances, for instance.)
GP doesn't believe in Watchdog packets or for that matter Stop packetsas "the truth". Logons from the same or different numbers are proof positive.
Does GP have a per user cap on the amount of hours? Is so what happens if a user disconnects and doesn't reconnet until the next day or later. In that case the caller-id method would fail to remove the user in a timely manner.
That's pretty interesting. Will they give any more details about that. We were considering adding GlobalPOPs until this thread started. Still may if they have a way to pass the disconnected user information to our radius servers.
Gary
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