amazing you should say that. you obviously know everything about me to say that. i couldnt possibly know anything about him. hmm. well, other than reading his autobiography, and a few biographies done of him, for a report in economics 101 a few years back.
and i have yet to hear some answers to my questions. drop the straw man. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:55:28 -0600, John Fields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:59:17 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >scuse me, but dont put words in my mouth. i mentioned A product, > >photoshop, for which there is no comparable competitor, becuase of the > >monopolistic way they control the industry. i have not said that > >software should be free, i have not said that people should pirate > >everything. i did not say any of the things you so delight in saying > >i said keith. do the actions of the big houses have anything to do > >with anything other than making maximum profit? the vast majority of > >piracy of software is of titles NO LONGER OFFERED FOR SALE FROM THE > >ORIGINAL COMPANY. please do not subscribe to me a policy i do not > >bear. i did not make the suggestions you stated i did john. im > >stating reasons WHY some pirate, not trying to get others to do. if > >piracy actually became prevelant to the point where it hurt the > >industry, id be working against it. but thats not going to happen. i > >did not say they have no overhead, so its okay to rip them off, i > >stated that my "discounted" purchase of photoshop contained no > >overhead for the company as they had no printing costs, which, btw, > >for photoshop (quoting an article for memory, please give a margine of > >error of +- 5 %) the printing and packaging costs are about 6 bucks a > >copy, and the coding and creating about 3 bucks a copy. distribution > >of about 10. thats right, 19 bucks to make, and a price tag of 599 a > >copy (less 200 if you are a student and send in teh rebate form, > >rebates already being discussed previously) > > > >how about facing the fact that the actions of the big houses are what > >are driving piracy in the market today, and not vice versa. how about > >looking at the fact that software and music that IS pirated at higher > >rates also sells at higher rates, and that drops in price have shown a > >cooresponding drop in illegal copying. how about recognizing that the > >average american cannot afford the confiscatory rates being charged by > >many companies, and that trying to create a competing product is > >worthless due to market pressures and inabilty to gain funding. im > >curious keith, what type of software? whats competition like? whats > >your per unit costs and prices? and if you have found pirated > >versions of your software, how much of an impact has it actually had > >on your bottome line? > > > > > >and again, lastly, john, i dont want to not pay a fair value. i am > >more than willing to pay fair value. i refuse to pay an arbitrarily > >inflated price that has been put beyond the reach of the average user > >in order to make per unit sales look better in order to keep stock > >prices up. and then companies turn around and lay off their staff in > >large numbers to get stock risers and make a bunch of money on > >options. > > > >photoshop is a great way of looking at it, a perfect example. > >according to a report by ADOBE last year, there are almost 4 times as > >many pirated copies of photoshop as legal copies. and adobe doesnt > >care, because they are still making as much money as if they lowered > >prices to be able to sell that much, becuase even though theyd make > >more profit that way, it doesnt look as good on certain ratios used > >for reporting. its rediculous. > > --- > What's "rediculous" is the posturing you're doing in order to try to > get off the hook that you've gotten yourself onto by writing: > > " i keep my consience clear, if i pirate a > piece of software, i send the company a cashiers check for what i feel > is a fair price. 30 bucks for photoshop, say. they cant track me, > but i paid them what is essentially pure profit, as there was no > overhead involved to them, and i wasnt going to buy it no matter what, > so no loss is involved." > > I'm sure you understand that Photoshop isn't shareware and that the > company isn't asking for voluntary contributions from pirates to keep > them going, and yet you pretend that by having the "decency" to do so > that relieves you of any responsibility for your theft. It doesn't, > and no matter how you whine and cry and scream and stamp your feet, if > you don't pay the going rate for the software or buy it discounted > from a legal source, you're stealing it. It's just that simple. > --- > > >and dont get me started on walmart. if sam knew what was being done > >in his name, we could wrap his ass in copper wire, stick him in a > >giant donut magnet, and solve the worlds energy problems off the > >generated power. > > --- > Since you haven't even gotten close to Sam's shoes, let alone walked a > mile in them, I doubt whether you really have a clue about how he > would have acted under _any_ set of circumstances. > > -- > John Fields > > -- Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. -G.K. Chesterton
